The Anti Gunners full court press

originally posted by: seagull
ETA: Is my purchasing a gun a mental health issue?

Well, yeah. If you want to purchase a firearm, obviously that alone proves that you're mentally unfit to own one.

That's my concern with a mandatory mental health check. It potentially creates avenues for abuse if the people running the checks are anti-2A and start using it to arbitrarily deny people their Constitutional rights.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: neo96

Which is why everyone needs to pass a mental health examination before they can get a gun.

So does that extend to every enumerated right that we as individuals can exercise per the constitution, or just the one about keeping and bearing arms?

I mean, some of the things that people say are bat-sh*t insane, but they have a right to say them...to include people like Jim Jones, who preyed on the mentally/emotionally weak with his words. I mean, that only killed 918 people. I mean, Hitler, using his words, was able to win an election and take over an entire country and conduct a genocide before many even knew what hit them.

Should I undergo a mental health examination before I can "plead the fifth" during an investigation, to ensure that I know what that means and how it will affect me? Should we be mentally assessed during an arrest so that we are certain that we fully understand our 'Miranda rights?'

Or voting--should we be mentally examined so that some unnamed authority knows that we understand the importance of voting and what doing the action means to the nation?

Advocating for conditions in order to exercise one's rights as a citizen is not only illogical, but also unconstitutional. The best that we can do in a free society is to protect our freedoms for everyone, and when freedoms are usurped by evil people for evil purposes, the best that we should do is attempt to stop them and, if not, lament the fact that evil people exist.

But the last thing that should be done is to call for conditions through which we must go to exercise our rights that are protected FROM government infringement.

I chose the Jefferson quote in my signature area for a reason.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Maybe we could all get pre-approved by a mental health professional before we vote.

If we want to vote for a candidate that someone doesn't like, just call us nuts and *presto* no more voting issues!

a reply to: DBCowboy

It's not about safety, security, or helping anyone.

It truly isn't.

Its bout political party using fear mongering to get it and keep it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Abortion is state-sanctioned murder, so it's okay.


I have yet to see a plan where the anti-freedom, anti-gunners are going to remove firearms from people who have them illegally.

Door-to-door searches?

Or are they going to use a bold font when they type it up?

Bold AND underlined.

Gotta really get the attention of those who don't care about the laws against murder to make sure they see your law about them not owning guns, otherwise they might not turn themselves in.

a reply to: lordcomac

Just ease up, ok? Please?

Bold AND underlined?

That's madness!

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I'm British , the whole situation confuses me.
Hand guns and rifles I can understand but machine guns ?
Crazy.

What's also crazy is the fact that people in the US who legally own honest to God machine guns undergo some of the most rigorous and extensive background checks and licensing procedures of anybody in this country. There is less paperwork and checks involved in being hired as an armed police officer than there is to obtain a Class III permit.

Quoted and bolded for truth. Been there, done that. I'm pretty convinced that my early onset arthritis was caused by filling out FBI paperwork.

The gun control response to the Mandalay shooting sure does make it look like the shooting could have been staged to advance the GC agenda. Maybe not, but it sure is starting to look that way.

a reply to: Salander

Is this really unusual? The gun control lobby always gets all hot and bothered when they think they can push their agenda.

a reply to: gortex

he had a pilots license im pretty sure they do psycological testing for that at least after 9/11

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Bluntone22

So, we should just allow crazy people to buy guns whenever they want.

Unbelievable.

Do you really think that's what I was saying?

Well if you don't think we should require mental health evaluations before purchasing guns, then apparently you are saying that.

You watch porn, possible future sex offender, no gun for you.

You belong to this website, anti government content, no gun for you.

Who are you going to trust with evaluation standards?
As I said, slippery slope.

Are we seriously discussing letting the same government who would not grant tax exempt status to tea party groups decide who can get a firearm?
They have demonstrated political bias.
They are not qualified.

What's a blinged out AR-15 good for anyway?

Aint sheight for hunting, not good for home defense, so other than dressing up & pretending to be righteous Rambos fighting the "tyranny of the ebil guvment" what do you need one for?

Same with 10, 20, 30 & 100 round clips, if you need a full mag to hunt you need a different hobby, needle-point or something.
Bolt action is a gentleman's rifle.

Every body crying about their "rights", how about the Right of the American People to go about their lives without worrying becoming victim to some whackjob with a gun fetish.

K~

a reply to: aethertek

What's a blinged out AR-15 good for anyway?

Right!

Because all things that look black and scary should be banned amiright ?

a reply to: kaylaluv

lots of stigma in your posts ,im a mentally ill gun owner and ive hurt nor threatned any one, you have to be comitted to an institution against your will to loose your fire arms rights .and unless you want every mentally ill person to wear a nice yellow star how do you get to know who is mentally ill? you dont because of hippa,and if you try the stuff you want to implement people wont get treatment for fear of loosing a constitutional right

www.nami.org...

www.mentalhealth.gov...

Myth: People with mental health problems are violent and unpredictable. Fact: The vast majority of people with mental health problems are no more likely to be violent than anyone else. Most people with mental illness are not violent and only 3%-5% of violent acts can be attributed to individuals living with a serious mental illness. In fact, people with severe mental illnesses are over 10 times more likely to be victims of violent crime than the general population. You probably know someone with a mental health problem and don't even realize it, because many people with mental health problems are highly active and productive members of our communities.

so quit parroting the bull that mentally ill are much more likely to inflcit violence vs being the victims of violence as were 10 times more likely to be the victim of a crime not the perpetrator,perhaps thats why some of us like our guns so we dont become victims .

namimc.org...

After a shooting, once the dust has settled, and the initial shock and panic has abated somewhat, fearful minds begin to cast about for explanations. Given the frequency with which gun deaths occur in the United States, “Why did this happen?” and “Who could do something like this?” are questions the country faces with grim regularity. Unfortunately, a consistent and dangerous narrative has emerged—an explanation all-too-readily at hand when a mass shooting or other violent tragedy occurs: The perpetrator must have been mentally ill. “We have a strong responsibility as researchers who study mental illness to try to debunk that myth,” says Jeffrey Swanson, a professor of psychiatry at Duke University. “I say as loudly and as strongly and as frequently as I can, that mental illness is not a very big part of the problem of gun violence in the United States.” The overwhelming majority of people with mental illnesses are not violent, just like the overwhelming majority of all people are not violent. Only 4 percent of the violence—not just gun violence, but any kind—in the United States is attributable to schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or depression (the three most-cited mental illnesses in conjunction with violence). In other words, 96 percent of the violence in America has nothing to do with mental illness.

so there ya go in nice white text on a black background we are not the problem but more often then not the victims

www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org...

Most individuals with serious mental illness are not dangerous. Most acts of violence are committed by individuals who are not mentally ill. Individuals with serious mental illness are victimized by violent acts more often than they commit violent acts. Being a young male or a substance abuser (alcohol or drugs) is a greater risk factor for violent behavior than being mentally ill. No evidence suggests that people with serious mental illness receiving effective treatment are more dangerous than individuals in the general population. That being said, a small number of individuals with serious mental illnesses commit acts of violence. Individuals who are not being treated commit almost all of these acts; many of them also abusing alcohol or drugs

link to PDF of the entire study www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org...

www.nbcnews.com... and as we get killed more often by police then any other minority your narritive gets a bit old and down right offensive with how wrong it is

Almost half of the people who die at the hands of police have some kind of disability, according to a new report, as officers are often drawn into emergencies where urgent care may be more appropriate than lethal force. The report, published by the Ruderman Family Foundation, a disability organization, proposes that while police interactions with minorities draw increasing scrutiny, disability and health considerations are still neglected in media coverage and law enforcement policy.

the mentally ill are bombarded by stigma in our day to day lives hell even on this board if you drop the N word or other slurs you get your post delted but every damn day its retard this or crazy that and you wonder why some of us dont wanna be on frigging lists,its almost as if we remember being forcibly sterilized experimented on and locked away with out trial and generally freely mocked in the recent past and our day to day lives which might explain why some of us enjoy being armed

ive helped train with police through nami in two states on how to better respond to mental health calls because all too often the police take a shoot first and apologize to the survivors policy ,its gotten far better then it used to but we still have a long way to go

originally posted by: aethertek
Every body crying about their "rights", how about the Right of the American People to go about their lives without worrying becoming victim to some whackjob with a gun fetish.

Yes, but what about the rights of the tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners out there? Do they deserve to be punished because some jackass goes off the deep end?

I'll readily admit that I don't know what the solution is, but its not going to help matters to stomp on the Constitutional rights of people who haven't done anything wrong.

a reply to: vor78

Yes, but what about the rights of the tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners out there? Do they deserve to be punished because some jackass goes off the deep end?

According to them yes.

We are answerable to a capital or otherwise infamous crime.

Do not get any due process.

Having committed an actual crime doesn't enter in to it for them.

Everyone is guilty until proven innocent!

originally posted by: aethertek

Every body crying about their "rights", how about the Right of the American People to go about their lives without worrying becoming victim to some whackjob with a gun fetish.

So you're anti-freedom. You'd punish people who never did anything illegal.

How fascist.

a reply to: neo96

The hypocrisy is astounding, honestly. These are the same people who preach that we shouldn't judge all members of a group by the actions of one individual, yet they're the first ones to do so when it supports their agenda.

originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: neo96

The hypocrisy is astounding, honestly. These are the same people who preach that we shouldn't judge all members of a group by the actions of one individual, yet they're the first ones to do so when it supports their agenda.

What you say makes sense.

By their logic, if one muslim commits a terrorist act, then we should punish all muslims.