A Big Hole in the Taxi Video - Multiple Shooter Theory

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Your hearing must be poor.

I'll put it on welfare.

Now, the taxi driver says about the tenth floor and the second video shows on the lower part of the building, the flash does not appear to be coming from high up in the building. I wonder if there is something weird going on with this. was that older guy actually alive at the time of the shooting? The event and result may be real, but maybe the shooter is not real. Smoke and empty shells could have been staged in his room.

you guys are right.... I cant tell the exact location. You can tell by audio the different distances by the sound of the gunfire, and at a few points there were different rifles being fired closely to each other..... Which could mean he stood like Rambo with a rifle in each hand, which would greatly reduce accuracy ( if it was just him)

Couple this with video posted on the other thread (linked towards the beginning of this one) which shows muzzle flash from a lower window **** I say muzzle flash and not a flashing strobe or light, due to the audio of the gunfire matching up rather nicely with the flashes (which were also inconsistent, unlike an alarm or strobe light)*****, and reports of multiple shooters from the guy's neighbor on the 32nd floor, reports of authorities chasing a suspect in a security guard uniform.

Im aware of the two windows being blown out and the architecture of the casino causing the sounds to change based on the direction of fire (which is why the echoing of the gunfire isn't constant among all the shots, firing into an open area vs firing against obstructions) as well as the sound changing and being more prevalent in front of the barrel as opposed to behind.

Everything put together, the videos, the reports, the massive amount of firepower smuggled into the hotel (with no surveillance evidence whatsoever) for just ONE person to wield, accounts and inconsistencies leads to the official narrative of this "lone 60+ year old gunman" being circumstantial at best

If it was say a fire strobe light wouldn't it be shown on every level? Why do we only see it on one floor? The whole building should be lighting up like a Christmas tree if the fire alarm or any other alarm was going off.

Also, when the cab driver was in front of the hotel dont you think she should have been able to hear if it was an alarm going off? it would be a loud EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

or a series of EHHHH EHHHHHH EHHHHHHH

you dont hear any of that. That makes me think its not an alarm

Also like someone else pointed out in the big thread. How come we dont see any activity where the alleged gunman was? There are no muzzle flashes we see on the 30th+ floor. All the actively seems to be a lot lower where the flashes are.

a reply to: intrptr


Thank you, I understand all that. Lucky for me, shot at and missed, # at and hit.

The microphone doing the recording did not appreciably move as the taxi driver was recording and commenting. He was clearly in the lobby/drive through area with other taxis, and what diagrams I've seen, not following closely, is that from the hotel to the concert was about 1000 feet.

My point is that the microphone in the drive through area could easily record the round firing, but you have not made a case, and I am highly suspicious of, any claim that the taxi microphone would also have recorded the impacts of the rounds, if that is what you're suggesting.

a reply to: intrptr


Because it sounds as though, not certifiable, two weapons are firing at the same time for some portions. I know the guy was good, but you must really be good to be firing 2 automatic weapons at the same time.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In "the big thread" somebody said they counted 19 separate and distinct weapons firing.

Your hearing must be poor.

I posted yesterday about a video that a news channel I can't remember if it was BBC, SKY or CNN that showed video from right at the stage, in my mind there were two weapons audibly in use at random and together...I got used to that sound for real in Belfast over a long period, another thing that was noticeable was there was little reverberation even with the tall building of the hotel, so even with the clear space where the concert was, there has to be a good deal of clear space as well as where the concert was, that makes what you hear somewhat less ambiguous.

That second video is not the 'strobe' light that people are talking about, that 'strobe' light is clearly visible in other video, and the pulse is regular...in itself that could even be an alarm LED light modulation showing up on a video because of the different speeds, but the second video is more than likely someone shooting in the atmosphere, the lighting up is too variable for an LED, modulating, or just blinking as a warning. How high up though, is difficult to see clearly, while the *camera is likely to be somewhere in the 500 feet distance from the hotel as given last night, though it may be only 300 to 400feet.

This picture is from last year,



files.abovetopsecret.com...

* The camera is more likely not in the venue area though.


Again in edit,
this video, a local TV station I presume, shows a weapon discharge, said to be the tenth floor, I don't know about that, however the picture, (differing angle) is pretty much proof of a discharge of a weapon.

originally posted by: rexsblues
a reply to: dothedew

There were no doubt mulitple weapons, but note that none were fired simultaneously. Again, given the two windows/vantage points from his suite on the 32nd floor, he probably had rifles positioned at both windows.

As I mentioned in the OP, the windows in his 'corner' suite were facing different directions. Depending on which window he was firing out of, the sound of the fire would change dramatically. I believe the concave architecture of the casino provided the acoustics that echoed the sound from a seemingly different location. Being an avid gun owner yourself, you would know this if you've ever fired a rifle in a hollow, narrow mountain valley or ridgecut.

They still haven't released the details or specifics about he firearms used, but I'm betting on modded to full, semi-autos, with drum mags.

I watched a video where two simultaneous rates of fire can be heard. One of the people watching it actually seemed a bit shocked and asked what the hell the police were playing at returning automatic fire at a hotel window when people were inside. Several tours in the middle east. We know what we could hear.

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
If it was say a fire strobe light wouldn't it be shown on every level? Why do we only see it on one floor? The whole building should be lighting up like a Christmas tree if the fire alarm or any other alarm was going off.

you dont hear any of that. That makes me think its not an alarm

That's exactly my point, I was taking it that everybody has seen what the police reported, and that was that the shooter, the deceased person, set off the alarm/s on the 32 second floor, and that's how he was located..indirectly.

However easily we can see in the video I just posted firing coming from what has to be a deal lower down, and not even the same area, and it is not an alarm, and corroborates the second video in the OP. The Taxi video is so brief, it's hard to make the same assumption, but it could well be the closest view of the same spot, or just be an alarm going off on that same floor.
BTW,in my last post, I should have said the distance is more to 300/400 yards.

I hear one type of gun being fired at a time which then stop for a moment to be replaced with another gun type firing, and at one point 2 guns being fired at the same time in the same location (double handed, maybe?), with one of the guns sounding like it over heated during rapid firing which slowed down it's firing rate (most likely he stacked the magazines together with the modded gun).

I hear thunder and lightning cracks - meaning the sound of the bullet hitting and the echo crack of the gas exhaust from the gun happening moments apart.

I do not hear 2 guns firing at different location points at the same time, nor do I head 2 different types of guns being fired at different locations at the same time - I did hear something that sounded like 2 guns being fired at the same time at the same vantage point which could of been him holding 2 guns at the same time, but I am unsure on that.

Unsure because of the design of the building angle that could make it sound as a double echo rebounding.

a reply to: PraetorianAZ

No - the alarm that is triggered on one floor usually only lights up that level, if the fire/emergency is bad a staff member will hit the main fire breaker which wakes the entire building up.

Why would an alarm in a massive building located in just one floor that could of just been caused by a small paper fire make the entire building light up....

There's a console that indicates which alarm on which floor/section has been set off - it is also usually linked to the FB (fire) stations to know which floor to travel to.

a reply to: Salander

My point is that the microphone in the drive through area could easily record the round firing, but you have not made a case, and I am highly suspicious of, any claim that the taxi microphone would also have recorded the impacts of the rounds, if that is what you're suggesting.

Not making that case at all. The soudd of the shots is different from the Taxi perspective. The taxi is closer, the shots are louder, and the rounds themselves pass overhead, '32 stories' up. Completely different angle from the venue videos where rounds are impacting.

ETA: Newer footage from Vegas PD body cams...

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: intrptr


Because it sounds as though, not certifiable, two weapons are firing at the same time for some portions. I know the guy was good, but you must really be good to be firing 2 automatic weapons at the same time.

Unlikely. There is no need to fire two at once, he's got 23 up there with him, as soon as one is empty, drop it, grab another. If you consider how many long arms he had it would literally take that long to empty them all, accounting for clearing jams. The few pics I saw of the floor of the hotel room show scattered arms but I didn't actually see any spent magazines, yet(?) As far as echoes, like shamrock pointed out the structures are a concrete canyon, reflection of sound will vary depending on the rifle, the position (which window) and angle he was firing.

I wish people would show the entire video of the supposed shooter on the 4th floor. In the original video you can clearly see the light/flash/strobe continuing long after the shots stop.

LINK to original video (Around -0:30)

it's clearly not muzzle flash.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: intrptr


Because it sounds as though, not certifiable, two weapons are firing at the same time for some portions. I know the guy was good, but you must really be good to be firing 2 automatic weapons at the same time.

Unlikely. There is no need to fire two at once, he's got 23 up there with him, as soon as one is empty, drop it, grab another. If you consider how many long arms he had it would literally take that long to empty them all, accounting for clearing jams. The few pics I saw of the floor of the hotel room show scattered arms but I didn't actually see any spent magazines, yet(?) As far as echoes, like shamrock pointed out the structures are a concrete canyon, reflection of sound will vary depending on the rifle, the position (which window) and angle he was firing.

Thanks for the body cam video, though it didn't really show anything new IMO.

But as to the taxi audio, the point is that IF there is audio of 2 weapons firing at the same time, doesn't that suggest that there was another shooter? Even if he was running from 1 window to the other, it would be impossible to be firing at the same time. Unless, of course, the guy was Rambo.

a reply to: Salander

"IF" there was two shooters, you keep repeating that. Opinions aren't evidence . I asked you to time stamp anything to show how you conclude that...

Look into here at the taxi footage that the claim arises from. Look right at :34 seconds, hear the sounds stop but the flashes continue...

I get it now. Theres always an agenda, like in the wake of the Sandyhook school shooting, here again it raises its head. The secret real unidentified shooter is responsible. This is an evil person, not like us, not really American.

They are not us. Ahhh, opens can of arms, maaaybe... it was the Russians, North Koreans, Or Isis.

Some friends and I were talking about this last night. One of them said something interesting. There could have been a weapon firing from both windows and still only one shooter. He told me about building a cam device that attaches to the trigger guard. A small electric motor turns the cam which pulls the trigger. The rate of fire is controlled by the motor's RPM. So what if he mounted a weapon on a tripod with one of these and a large magazine and sighted it on the far end of the concert? Then he goes into the other room and mans another weapon. He flips a switch to start the remote weapon and then he starts shooting.
I'm not going into details about the cam device, but, from what I was told it would be easy to make and I know it would work.

a reply to: rexsblues

In addition to the firing in different directions could change the sound, also keep in mind the gunman had a number of different weapons, which of course can change the sound. Also, the muzzle being inside or outside the window will change the sound, so just him moving a little bit while firing will change the sound.

There are a lot of reasons for the sound to change, none of which require a 2nd shooter. And what would be the reason to cover up a 2nd shooter? If this was some kind of false flag or staged incident, whatever their intentions, it could easily be done with 1 shooter. Furthermore, if you did want to do it with 2 shooters, why wouldn't you just get 2 patsies so there were no disconnects in the investigation?

As much as the single shooter "doesn't add up" to some people, the reasons why you'd need or cover up a 2nd shooter add up even worse.