Lifting the Veil - An Invitation

a reply to: 0bserver1

It depends if we have totally thought manifested the Thought/creation/belief ! of God, perhaps Godel had an idea about this.....

P(psi) P is “positive”
G(x) x have the property God
ess. essential
E existing
• (bullet) Necessary
(Kurt Gödel (1995). “Ontological Proof”. Collected Works: Unpublished Essays & Lectures, Volume III. pp. 403–404. Oxford University Press.

Gödel left in his papers a fourteen-point outline of his philosophical beliefs, that are dated around 1960. They show his deep belief in the rational structure of the world. Here are his 14 points: 1

The world is rational.
Human reason can, in principle, be developed more highly (through certain techniques).
There are systematic methods for the solution of all problems (also art, etc.).
There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.
The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.
There is incomparably more knowable a priori than is currently known.
The development of human thought since the Renaissance is thoroughly intelligible (durchaus einsichtige).
Reason in mankind will be developed in every direction.
Formal rights comprise a real science.
Materialism is false.
The higher beings are connected to the others by analogy, not by composition.
Concepts have an objective existence.
There is a scientific (exact) philosophy and theology, which deals with concepts of the highest abstractness; and this is also most highly fruitful for science.
Religions are, for the most part, bad– but religion is not.
Based on this far-reaching rational belief, he thought he can proof the existence of God, in a modified (and logically consistent) version of Anselm’s ontological proof. I admit that his argument needs a lot of explanation. Gödel was a theist, not a pantheist, and he also rejected Einsteins idea of an impersonal God. He saw himself in the tradition of Leibniz, not Spinoza. It seems that Gödel worked on the “ontological proof” for a long time, and finally he handed it over to a friend in 1970. It was published in 1987.

Source: braungardt.trialectics.com...

Carl Jung also had an idea of this:

www.youtube.com...

Quote: “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.”

C.G. Jung

Thought, creation and belief may then be symbiotic ?

a reply to: RustBoat

Some people seem hellbent that this is all about destroying God..

No I was only confused by a oneliner. And it had no meaning in a sense only that I didn't understood what he meant.

I did say that it could be metaphorically spoken.
I'm not researching gnostic teachings, if I'd learned more about that I wouldn't said any of that.

I did a quick research in gnosticism and I understand now.

I'm more a person who was raised in the biblical sense. Not meaning that I've got an open mind in various cultural and departing structure from where religion originates from.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe attack ships on f... No wait that's a movie.

No seriously I'm an open mind and I do not specifically and directly believe that what's written in al religious scriptures are a direct proof that what it says is the absolute truth.

So many of my own teachings in religion as for me came from talking to the universe itself and for me the universe is the one and only God that somehow has a great conscient species that seems to work for him or against him to build the universe and to expand the universe.

Those species as define them are , well unimaginable for many and have great power.

I do not know them personally but I know they are there and that I've seen them.

I know that I'm good and I know that Im not to be fooled with because I can feel the danger when it's infront of me . Because my consciousness will tell what I see in the behavior of those entities.

They will betray themselves before me imo
I've have seen seven glowing spheres above my house and days later infront of my bedroom hanging in formation big dipper.

I've had many signs and spoke to a sentient being that told me that mankind when not in body was kind and good.

I've had sightings of rainbows suddenly appear in the middle of thunderclouds shining a beam on a sphere and I've had one over my head on warm and scarce cloudy day while working .

I've seen clouds forming into a square elongated formation lid up like heavenly light.

And many more . Things I can't dismiss as just normal .

I gained knoledge for what I've seen on Saturn that worries me the most , and also amazed me the most.

I've proof of that in picture and film because I've filmed almost every event so that I could say that I wasn't hallucinating.

I ask myself who am I that I've got to see those things who am I that I've got to hear those things , who am I this insignificant little fragile being to see godlike things before me.

Do I deserve that to know what others maybe don't know?

Well , don't worry I want to see this through I'm not judging anybody before the veil has been lifted.

So go on

As for God?

He died at the Fall of man, in a sense.

That’s why Gurdjieff said. If your going to raise yourself its like going against God.

The Demiurge took over and that is now our God--the Corrupt God. The Non Corrupt God is way in the background, deep inside you…Maybe too deep!


But NEVER stop looking

a reply to: RustBoat



I wish there was a revolution because that is the only way. When the masses are awoke only then will there be a revolution.

As far as Sophia goes, I am not a Gnostic per say but I have studied Gnosticism.

For anyone clueless... here ya go..

There, the powers of the underworld have their way with her, using, abusing, and exploiting her, until all she knows is sadness in the struggle to return herself up to the light she has lost, but not forgotten. She gives birth to a bunch of bad boys, demigods called archons, including the worst of them all, the demiurge who becomes the creator of this world, infecting it with pride, ignorance, fear, and his lust for power and pleasure. But Sophia remains present, and in her resurgent power she brings great beauty and spiritual potential to the earthly realm and its inhabitants. Witnessing the irresponsible creation of the world by her errant offspring, Sophia conceals Consciousness in the body of the demiurge’s first man, "Adam," and then brings it into the world as "Eve." Finally, Sophia breaks free and ascends back up to the true light of life, raising humanity with her ever so slightly. But she refuses to abandon the sad world of humans, and so she divides herself, keeping a part below, ever present and available for the enlightenment of all.

www.gaia.com...

When I researched S.V.V which uses their symbol of Jesus on the Cross, it took me to a Twitter account of someone who is a part of a group who are using A.R.K ( Acts of random kindness) to begin a sort of revolution/game whereas they are giving "gifts" or cyber coins... like there is some kind of game going on between them and its all cryptic. I'm still trying to figure it out. I emailed the OP but he hasn't emailed me back after he said he would. Maybe he/she too is also too busy.

This kid, Max Laughlin, who is 13, said to be a genius/physicist, claims there was a shift when something went wrong at Cern. The Universe shifted into another plane therefor creating Mandela Effect. Something to think about.

With the mass shootings and so much evil in the world today, it makes me wonder when ALL HELL will break loose and begin this revolution.

OMG.....Mathias tried to teach me all this, and I just refused to learn......or at least I can't remember now...




I figured it out, it's everything after the = sign

a reply to: MamaJ

Jiddu Krishnamurti

“In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself.”

“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”

“Freedom and love go together. Love is not a reaction. If I love you because you love me, that is mere trade, a thing to be bought in the market; it is not love. To love is not to ask anything in return, not even to feel that you are giving something- and it is only such love that can know freedom.”

I saw this quote here www.abovetopsecret.com...

How true... before we had speech, grunting, or any form of sound recognition, we must of communicated, in some manner?

We all have experience.

Yours or mine is no greater or lesser, it is our individuality, that ties us together, but unfortunately produces our greatest intolerance's.... towards each other, as our name, religion, ideas/our different experiences... set a state of mind that cements our opinion........ separating.... our conscious inter-connectivity...............

Is focusing on all the wizardry/puppetry our downfall, instead of Understanding the framework/connectivity of us in all its entirety ???????

a reply to: Willtell

Willtell, that is a very enlightening look at the demiurge (who sadly is our currput god as of now). He is very mechancical, I'm positive he has no way to read the Bible or anything. Though the Bible has been altered with Good from our Good Banquished Heavenly Father and mixed in with the bigotry, hate, and left or right paths which lead you astray. But focus on the horizon my friends. Then when you get to the open water, walk upon it to the horizon (have faith in who you are and your endless possibilities and of whom you have come from: a divine king who is longing to see his sons return home. Believe it or not, our primary focus is to help Sophia (the wholy spirit) to destroy her abomination of a son. Only then can we all return into The City of Shining Light. There maybe reincarnation, though I feel a heavy heart towards it because I do NOT want to go back to this battle. I'm weary... God speed and end this maddness! We might very well be trapped by the demiurge who thinks this is a fun and game free for all arena. (Deminurge loves violence.) Until the Demiurge meats its hopefully Painful demise. We have a couple options here. You can call it quits (save the holy grace) or just live one more day at a time and maybe we will all find the answer to overthrow this beast machine.

But with the severe hindsight of our Demiurge God (who by the way, we are greater than him....our supposed creator.) For we have come from an everlasting infinite Kingdom of Love and Light, as princes and princesses to the God of light and Holy Spirit (Sophia). This is gonna be the wrap up. Pump it up, maximize engergy levels, ALL SYSTEMS GO, and lets obliterate this Demiurge and send him into a hell of chaos and radiation and collapsing universe in which NO LIFE or NO LIGHT or no Matter will ever exist again. Demiurge should of throught closely before he started to persecute Gods Diviine Creation. Nothing and I mean NOTHING pisses the Father off more than what the Demiurge has done in his debauchery of truth and utter ignorance of Sophia who attempted to create a lifeness of the divine without God's input. But Sophia will be forgiven. For we are here to help her.

Jaldaboath Your last pieces of sand trickle slowly throught the sand glazz. The illuminators have come and filled many lightworkers right behind your OWN ASS, because you self centered, evil, son of a bastard like to gloat about your "accomplishments". So you have only been facing backwards from the begining. Well too bad! Johnny we're home!!!!! You think Jesus upset you? Well wait and see thousands to hundress of thousands of illuminated princes and princeses are goign to to do you???? Can you even fathom? BOY!!!? Are you ready for a good talking to? Well there wil be no talking. And no, it WILL end very, very, *very* bad for you. Thank you! Enjoy your final moments of brief order before you fall into nothing. You are a fool. Utter and complete FOOL. God my Father has always had a plan against you. He knew you demise from the start. And we will not fail. For the illuminator of God of Light shines forever and knows all. Always.

God speed Light Workers. The time is soon to act. Rage this Mofo. Obliterate Jaldobaoth the Demiurge and release yourselfs from prison.

a reply to: Fingle

Love is creation itself. .
When one loves another it creates a bond or entangles itself with another consciousness.

Or if you love your work one creates an objective achievement that's rewarded by those who wanted that you created for them .

If you've compassion for weakness you create a possibility for weakness to feel better .

So the universe loves what it creates
Therefore love is creation itself..

a reply to: 0bserver1

If love in its output origin is only the creation of itself, by what means does it... derive to this contemplation..of its own egotism to exist?? or by intent to grow and harbour within the pos=neg that it will unleash....in both capacity's, is that then Love??? or a delusional state of Love.................is love a condition or an interconnection of both positive and negative experience to eventually create a sense of Love????? If the universe Loves what it creates why are we the fractional, as in separating all of our component beings... then the universe is as much at odds, with humanity, as humanity is with itself..........

a reply to: RustBoat

Your right we came from that wonderful world but the much overlooked motif regarding the allegory of the Garden of Eden tells us simply we lost that world.


Not any curse from God but a very scientific process of God's cosmic universal laws


Its like if you distort your inner faculties over time because you fell into some kind of powerful force you were not ready for( God telling Adam to not go upon this tree)


Analogy: If we told a teenager about heroin or alcohol and he did not obey. We don’t have to curse him, the alcohol and heroin will do the cursing.

Therefore, it’s a lie that God punished us; we punished ourselves and overtime after we partook of the forbidden fruit we became inwardly distorted like a drug fiend.

Then, over time, based on the cosmic law: AS ABOVE SO BELOW,

the Garden began to become distorted in the macrocosm( outwardly) so we had a double whammy: an inward distortion and then an outward distortion bearing down on us over centuries.

That is the demiurge


When in the macrocosm that distortion is rectified will bring about the true Unveiling--The Apocalypse

The Apocalypse is a word that means The Unveiling

a reply to: Willtell

See you are here just re-adapting the "Lore of Certainty", force fitting it.

I did that for a while when my experiences started to clash with christianity.

a reply to: Willtell

This one did stand out............................?

Yah gave you instinct, Satan gives you [Urkle voice] "lets think about the alternative for a moment"

Anoia and epinoia.

The epinoia is always a reaction.

When you all learn how stupid "Oh yeah well! " and "ask me anything" sounds, you understand.

All your foils in life cannot be retorts. Mentally this is the worlds conflict. The Second opinion questioning instinct. A mental infection from a mental reflection in a house of mirrors your memory keep you bound to.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Willtell

See you are here just re-adapting the "Lore of Certainty", force fitting it.

I did that for a while when my experiences started to clash with christianity.

You speak to people according to their understanding level

What one man consumes another regurgitates

You don’t try to force on a child the attainments of an adult.

If experience is different from dogma or doctrine no big thing. Dogma or doctrine is an approximation of the truth or a perspective of it

Experience supersedes doctrine

Doctrine is a bridge to the real or an aid

a reply to: daskakik

Also what makes you think I haven't experienced what I’m communicating?

When I was a child I couldn’t even spell lore I seen what I am saying to you

Believe it or not I really don’t care

originally posted by: Willtell
You speak to people according to their understanding level

Nice try but that is a cop out.

Doctrine is a bridge to the real or an aid

Then why all the cryptic mumbo jumbo? Maybe you need a better bridge but from my POV you are just force-fitting what you may have experienced into pre-conceived notions or maybe you are stuck between level one and two and can't shake level one rhetoric.

a reply to: daskakik


That’s possible if you always assume the worst in people.


It may be that you’re fitting other people’s experiences in your negative experience

I understand. Many people have had negative experiences with religion of all sorts.

Often they project that to others. It’s a human thing to do.

I’ve had negative experiences with religion but I try NOT to assume everyone had the same as I have had.

To cultivate objectivity is a positive goal

On the other hand some experiences are similiar

a reply to: Fingle

I don't speak french

originally posted by: Willtell
That’s possible if you always assume the worst in people.

Which ends up in talking down and speaking in riddles to separate the wheat from the chaff?

Besides if it is something to lift humanity up then why not just give it to all?

It may be that you’re fitting other people’s experiences in your negative experience

Who said I have had negative experiences?

All my paranormal experiences have been awesome. Even the most terrifying ones have been positive.

ETA: I see you edited and specified religion. I never really had a negative experience there either. I just found that my other experiences didn't match up with what was taught in christianity.

a reply to: daskakik

Look, you’re cross examining me, not the other way around.

I try to generally give people the benefit of the doubt. You seem to be projecting a negative view of something you experienced. You said it yourself.

That prescription I gave you was not my invention, its from one of the most respected schools of mystical thought on the planet.

Most people get insight from it

But like I said

What one person consumes another regurgitates


www.goodreads.com...

originally posted by: Willtell
Look, you’re cross examining me, not the other way around.

No I'm not, I'm pointing out that people hear something that sounds good and claim to have had gained hidden knowledge but that doesn't necessarily makes it true.

I try to generally give people the benefit of the doubt. You seem to be projecting a negative view of something you experienced. You said it yourself.

That isn't what I said.

That prescription I gave you was not my invention, its from one of the most respected schools of mystical thought on the planet.

That doesn't mean they can't be wrong.

Most people get insight from it

But like I said

What one person consumes another regurgitates

Finding people who agree doesn't make something "the ultimate truth".