Why were the Virgin Islands destroyed?

a reply to: stormcell

He did build his wine cellar to be a bunker. That's where they weathered the storm.

a reply to: norhoc

I would guess the inhabitants of the Virgin Islands wouldn't take my usage of the word as an overstatement. You are right though.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Trump was not the "we" I was referring to. I'm guessing he and his supporters were the ones being sent the message.

a reply to: Truthbeknowntoall1

one has to love a bloke who has got his priorities straight " wine bunkers " FTW

People seriously think the government creates hurricanes?

I really need to stop coming to this site. It’s going to lower my IQ...

a reply to: opethPA

You mean except for causing mass flooding like the US did in the Vietnam War (Operation Popeye), right?

Then there's the Environmental Modification Convention (called "ENMOD"). It was an international agreement specifically designed to prohibit military environmental modification techniques, and it went into effect in 1978. A PDF with the text can be found in this link (HERE) in the "Note" section.

ETA: Here's a link to the PDF since the link keeps acting weird:
treaties.un.org...

ETA2: Not sure why it won't link directly to the UN's page.

1. It's on the UN Treaty Collection website: treaties.un.org
2. Go to "Depositary" section
3. Click on Section 26 "CHAPTER XXVI"
4. Click on #1 "Convention on the prohibition of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques. New York, 10 December 1976"
5. The PDF I linked above is the link in the "Note" section.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

You mean except for causing mass flooding like the US did in the Vietnam War

Highly questionable whether the cloud seeding efforts had much effect, much less causing "mass flooding." You know that it was done during the monsoon season, when it rains a lot?

In the end, however, it proved impossible to determine the amount of additional rainfall caused by cloud-seeding rather than other factors, and thus justify the recurring outlay. The Defense Intelligence Agency estimated that seeding increased rainfall "in limited areas up to 30 percent above that predicted for the existing conditions," but this figure admittedly was the result of "empirical and theoretical techniques based on units expended and the physical properties of the air mass seeded"-in short, a scientific guess. Sensor data showed only that the enemy consistently experienced difficulty keeping traffic moving through the monsoon rains, a normal problem for that time of year.

www.globalsecurity.org...

ENMOD concerned attempts to use weather modification for warfare. It did not address other uses.

a reply to: Phage

Yeah, I know that since it literally says that in the opening paragraph of my link. It also says it was done in an effort to extend the monsoon season, not create one.

a reply to: enlightenedservant
You also say it caused "mass flooding."
I suppose your link says that too?


The efficacy of cloud seeding depends upon who you ask. Those who promote (and sell it) will tell you it works great.
www.weathermodification.com...

originally posted by: Truthbeknowntoall1
a reply to: opethPA

Well, theories aside, what about the reality of weather modification?

Weather modification involves seeding clouds with silver iodide and other powders, to create condensation nucleii for raindrops to form. That allows one country to "steal" another countries rain needed for agriculture. They can also be used to create flash floods in order to bog down military forces in bad weather. The UK performed research as part of Operation Cumulus:

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: Phage

So what's the problem? What exactly are you even arguing? Because it sounds like you're saying it both works and doesn't.

ETA: Your own link says it increased rain by up to 30% in some cases. You don't think an additional 30% of rain can cause or contribute to flash floods?

a reply to: stormcell

Of course, the flooding had nothing to do with the depression that had moved in from the Atlantic, stalled, and spread heavy rain over a very large area, including Lynmouth. It must have been the cloud seeding. Had to be that. Even though the cloud seeding occurred days before the flooding.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

What I'm saying in general is that it there isn't much evidence that cloud seeding is effective. There really isn't any way to tell whether a seeded cloud would have rained without help or not.


What I'm saying specifically is that there was no unusually intense rainfall associated with Operation Popeye. That's why it was cancelled, there wasn't any evidence it actually worked as desired.

ETA: Your own link says it increased rain by up to 30% in some cases.

Read it again. That was a guess. Nothing more.

a reply to: stormcell

China does lots of cloud seeding right now.

From 2007:
China Leads Weather Control Race

From 2011:
Chinese Government Plans to Cause Ten Percent More Rain By 2015

From 2013:
China creates 55 billion tons of artificial rain a year—and it plans to quintuple that

From last year:
China spent millions on a shady project to control the weather ahead of the Beijing Olympics — and dozens of other countries are doing it too

And Indonesia uses it to reduce the impact of expected floods:
Is cloud seeding preventing further flooding in Indonesia?

Weather modification - Avoiding floods by "cloud seeding", Indonesia

a reply to: enlightenedservant

So does California, as a matter of fact.
All over west Texas, too.

originally posted by: opethPA
I have a theory and it's called weather..

Weather's not a theory. It's fact.

To the OP. Education, education and education = a cursory understanding of geography and meteorology.

Start here The Met Office on cyclones

Those who think mankind has developed the ability to control or guide hurricanes are living on another planet. The power and complexity of the weather systems is untameable. Cloud seeding is not weather control, BTW.

originally posted by: Truthbeknowntoall1
Now that I do not believe in random events... Anyone else out there suspicious of the time line of events that took place recently; the exiting of Paris Climate Accord and subsequent hurricanes? Call me crazy but I suspect a message has been sent. My mind wanders to the question of why take out the Virgin Islands? Technically, part of the U.S. but still.. I know Richard Branson resides/owns Neker Island, and I just so happened to watch the documentary about Neker Island only 3 days prior to it being nailed by Irma. Coincidence? Not if you were to ask me, but then I no longer believe in coincidence.
Anyone have a theory?

Yes, I do, you said yourself that you watched a documentary on Neker Island 3 days prior to Irma? Well, I suspect you to be a disgruntled Virgin employee, you used the 3 days after watching the documentary to learn how to hack from YouTube and on the 3Rd day hacked into HAARP's Alaskan array and caused this devastation, or something.

What countries are top suspects of having weather weapons?

a reply to: ganjoa

a reply to: djz3ro

You nailed it! Guilty as charged.

a reply to: Truthbeknowntoall1

I'd be more suspicious of a conspiracy if the Virgin Islands were NEVER hit by a major hurricane.

Asking "why did the VI got hit with a major hurricane?" is like asking "why did that farm in Kansas get hit by a tornado?".