I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

a reply to: Painterz


exactly!

they believe trump over these guys. it's insane!

sheep - the lot of them.

a reply to: Throes

Pfft.. that's hilarious! It was -nothing- even remotely close to what is happening now! You are the one who must not have been paying attention. I watch plenty of football, sports shows, etc.. taking crap about kneeling is nothing compared to the "outrage" angle people are taking now. Every since Trump tweeted it.. fire players? Fine them? For taking advantage of their 1st amendment rights? Hilarious.

I have a VERY strong suspicion that Trump has -never- read the constitution - it's ironic how upset he gets at kneeling players. Flipping hilarious - and I think I can pretty much guarantee the ticket selling, hat-burning, boycotting "fans" are all Trump supporters.. almost every single one.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Until this season, the National Anthem wasn't even shown on television except for the first game of the NFL season, and the Super Bowl. The random Sunday game, nope.

Well yeah, 99% of people don't stand. That's inaction. Kneeling is a conscious decision to say "F you" the people that fought for your country, and Europe, etc.

Um.. no? Where in the world do you get that? When the black athletes stood with fists raised in the '68 Olympics (for nearly the same reason they are doing it now), were they saying "F you!" to those who fought? Obviously not. And the same applies for those kneeling now. That's YOUR perception - which is wrong. Why you think (or Trump thinks) you know their mindset is hilarious. Especially when they say "We do this for reasons X, Y and Z" - and you say "No.. you are doing it for A and B omg you are fired!"

The outrage over this is honestly hysterical. Trump tweets.. people get outraged, becoming very predictable.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheScale

If people are offended by someone's freedom of expression then I'd say they hold tradition to be more important than personal rights.

Well, f u then

Then go read the first page. It´s hardly a conversation, more like assumptions and demanding a yes/no. If no yes/no provided, it´s always "you don´t stand during the anthem".

Also, it was a friendly "headsup". But I know your stance and steckenpferd here on ATS so it does not surprise me you would interject yourself because it has some anti trump smell on it.

You´re so extremly predictable.

Edit: I forgot to hit the reply button but I think it´s clear who I´m speaking to.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Painterz

Kaepernick got the idea of kneeling by talking to a Green Beret.

When they present a flag to the family of a fallen soldier, they "take a knee."

I'd like to see these gumbahs explain that is disrespectful to the Beret.

You were pretty quick to jump on this angle that was just posted 2 days ago, based on an op-ed piece from Eric Reid:

www.nytimes.com... rnick-football-protests.html?mcubz=1

However, and I seriously doubt YOU believe this, but there was evidence over a year ago that Kaepernick's involvement into social justice (i.e. BLM and the reason for the KNEE in the first place) didn't begin until after he started dating Nessa Diab.

thegrio.com... epernicks-activist-girlfriend-inspire-his-support-of-black-lives-matter/

She's supposedly sympathetic to ISIL/ISIS/whatever as well.

Me....I think the Reid piece floated 2 days ago was meant to divert attention away from Diab. And what better way than to make it look like the idea might have come from a former member of the military.

And isn't it odd that Reid has to publish the reason for the knee....even so much as almost falling on the sword by insinuating it was his idea in the first place. Too bad Kaepernick couldn't articulate this.

a reply to: keys2heaven

You're posting material from a gossip site? Awesome.

What did TMZ have to say?

First Amendment protections do not apply to private organizations. Remember the N-word fiasco a few years ago when the NFL sought to ban it?

www.njlawblog.c... om/2014/02/articles/employment/the-first-amendment-playing-field-regulating-speech-in-the-workplace/

So, yes, the players can express themselves, but don't say that they are protected by the first amendment, when they legally are not. Individual states and case law may rule differently, but federal protections do not apply.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Ahhhh, love your comebacks. Always so enlightening.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

I don't stand up in my home. But in the stadium when they say "Please rise for the anthem" I stand for the anthem.

What's the point?

a reply to: Gryphon66

www.washingtonpost.com... phobia/?utm_term=.cf5b3ef3d076

Here he blames candidate Trump and admits being impacted by his girlfriend, although he doesn't say to what extent.

Far be it from me to use logic to see that his social justice rants didn't start until after she was in the picture....at least not as publicly.

But who wants to connect the dots? It's always better to tell everyone else they're wrong, isn't it.

originally posted by: keys2heaven
First Amendment protections do not apply to private organizations. Remember the N-word fiasco a few years ago when the NFL sought to ban it?

www.njlawblog.c... om/2014/02/articles/employment/the-first-amendment-playing-field-regulating-speech-in-the-workplace/

So, yes, the players can express themselves, but don't say that they are protected by the first amendment, when they legally are not. Individual states and case law may rule differently, but federal protections do not apply.

The NFL never created a rule that you could not kneel during the anthem. So that's neither here nor there. There is no federal law that says you must do so. There is a code that says to do it.. but there is no punishment for not doing so. For obvious reasons.

But Trump recommends punishing people for expressing their own views. It's ironic how much that should be upsetting people.. but it doesn't. If Trump REALLY wanted to stop this.. he would have worked with the only people that could stop it. Those who run the NFL. But.. no, instead.. he tries to shame players, and recommends punishing them over social media. And people wonder why others think Trump is a clown.

a reply to: redpills

In the home, you are a private audience to an event, not public. Technically, you are not required to stand.

a reply to: fleabit

That post was talking about whether or not first amendment rights were protected by a private organization. They are not. Whether or not the NFL has rules in place was not the intended purpose of that reply. You misread and then jumped into a rant about Trump again.

I think what Trump is trying to state, in typical bombastic fashion, is that private organizations have the right to fire employees for violations of expression, although the flag code stops short of making standing for the anthem mandatory. The NFL decided it didn't like being told what to do, so now sticking it to the prez by not standing is in vogue.

A few more months and this will all be over.

a reply to: keys2heaven

Correct, I don't know what this guy is so outraged about. He asks people "Do you stand in your home?" and that is a silly question. But I'd like to here from him why he asks that, I'm open for dialogue.

a reply to: keys2heaven

Who me? I’m fine with the Post.

Kaep’s GF had an effect on him? Imagine that.

In order to use logic to “connect the Dots” you’d have to have some first.

Apparently you favor gossip sites and musing about someone’s girl.

Let us know when you come up with anything relevant.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Pretty relevant to me.

When you have anything else rather than conjecture and belittling remarks, join back in!

originally posted by: keys2heaven
a reply to: Gryphon66

Pretty relevant to me.

When you have anything else rather than conjecture and belittling remarks, join back in!

I never left.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: keys2heaven

Apparently you favor gossip sites and musing about someone’s girl.

Straw man arguments must be a staple of the left. Explains a lot on here.