I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

So you admit to baiting the members?

Not at all. I asked a simple question. Can you answer it?

Would you believe me?

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: c2oden

I guess I just choose to not let the state dictate what is right or wrong for me.

How do you feel about North Koreans honoring dear leader out of tradition and being disowned or punished for not toeing the line? Do you think it's fair that they are punished for not bowing down to Kim?

Take a look in the mirror, you're guilty of the same thing except with a flag.

You are missing the point entirely.
It has nothing to do with the "state".
It is about showing respect for something that deserves respect.

It is about respecting what the flag stands for, and honoring those who have fought for which it stands.

It has nothing to do with politics or agendas.

Show some respect.

Those drunk NFL fans who have been tailgating for 12 hours before the game? Is it respectful if you can barely stand?

a reply to: seeker1963

No I'm not an anarchist, I'm my own person who doesn't just throw labels on myself all willy-nilly like. I'm for freedom of expression, if you want to call that an anarchist then so be it but that doesn't mean I'm the label you choose to slap on my forehead.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

So you admit to baiting the members?

Not at all. I asked a simple question. Can you answer it?

Would you believe me?

Would anyone believe the polls?

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

So you admit to baiting the members?

Not at all. I asked a simple question. Can you answer it?

Would you believe me?

Maybe. But like the other poster that said he did I put him in the "yes" column. Yours would be #2.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

So you admit to baiting the members?

Not at all. I asked a simple question. Can you answer it?

Would you believe me?

Would anyone believe the polls?

I'm Italian that married a pole so yes, why do you have something against polls?
Lol

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Nyiah

Because the are in public with a large group of their fellow citizens.

But a packed sports bar is not a large group of their fellow citizens and thus no ritual warranted.

You folks make zero sense, it;s obvious flag & anthem etiquette necessity is HIGHLY subjective to you. You just won't admit it.

But it is etiquette. That’s the point, no matter what anyone thinks of the flag.

Would you take your shoes off at the Taj Mahal, even though you weren’t Muslim nor Indian?

It is selectively applied etiquette. If it's not necessary for a packed bar to display the etiquette, then you must concede it's not necessary elsewhere large groups of citizens have congregated. You are arguing that the etiquette is unconditional while giving solid examples that it is indeed conditional.
Make up your mind.

If others in the bar started standing and singing the national anthem, you’d be a buzz kill and not take part? What a buzz-kill.

You've avoided what I've pointed out quite well, kudos to the sidestepping attempt. You argue people must do so in a group setting, but bars don't count. If bars do not count, then why should anyone participate and why would anyone care if I did or didn't?

I also said it was etiquette and civic custom, something you’ve sidestepped.

But you said bars & the like don't count because:

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

By your own admission, they're not where it's being played, so etiquette and civic customs are completely conditional. Or, in plain English, optional.

I was trying to explain the etiquette and custom part, something I still don’t think you understand. When we’re at sporting event, the anthem is being played and people are taking their hats off, we join them in that custom out of respect. It is also a good time to reflect on the lives lost in order to defend the country, and to honor them.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: c2oden

I guess I just choose to not let the state dictate what is right or wrong for me.

How do you feel about North Koreans honoring dear leader out of tradition and being disowned or punished for not toeing the line? Do you think it's fair that they are punished for not bowing down to Kim?

Take a look in the mirror, you're guilty of the same thing except with a flag.

You are missing the point entirely.
It has nothing to do with the "state".
It is about showing respect for something that deserves respect.

It is about respecting what the flag stands for, and honoring those who have fought for which it stands.

It has nothing to do with politics or agendas.

Show some respect.

Those drunk NFL fans who have been tailgating for 12 hours before the game? Is it respectful if you can barely stand?

Yeah because the entire stadium is drunk. If they can't be served if they show signs of intoxication then how are there so many beers in the stands?

This is quite possibly the stupidest argument I've ever seen.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

if you want to call that an anarchist then so be it but that doesn't mean I'm the label you choose to slap on my forehead.

Dang that reminds me of the Scarlet Letter. You might as well wear the letter A for anarchist on your shirt.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: c2oden

I guess I just choose to not let the state dictate what is right or wrong for me.

How do you feel about North Koreans honoring dear leader out of tradition and being disowned or punished for not toeing the line? Do you think it's fair that they are punished for not bowing down to Kim?

Take a look in the mirror, you're guilty of the same thing except with a flag.

You are missing the point entirely.
It has nothing to do with the "state".
It is about showing respect for something that deserves respect.

It is about respecting what the flag stands for, and honoring those who have fought for which it stands.

It has nothing to do with politics or agendas.

Show some respect.

Those drunk NFL fans who have been tailgating for 12 hours before the game? Is it respectful if you can barely stand?

So now all NFL fans are drunk when the anthem is played?

Does anyone think the players kneeling before games do the same and have done the same when themselves watching games in their living rooms?

If they don't kneel in the privacy of their own homes, why be a hypocrite and do it in public before a game you play in? Ego?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

No I'm not an anarchist, I'm my own person who doesn't just throw labels on myself all willy-nilly like. I'm for freedom of expression, if you want to call that an anarchist then so be it but that doesn't mean I'm the label you choose to slap on my forehead.

Another side step! You keep bashing "the State" that is something an anarchist does. I gave you the opportunity to be brave and come forward, but you chose the cowardly path.......

a reply to: ColoradoJens


mic dropped

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

So you admit to baiting the members?

Not at all. I asked a simple question. Can you answer it?

Would you believe me?

Would anyone believe the polls?

So that's a no. Thank you.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: c2oden

I think you're missing the point, those veterans fought for my right to sit or stand as I please.

This 97 year old WWII Vet seems to agree with me.

Go on, call him un-American, I dare you.

theres plenty of vets who have the opposing opinion. everyone has the right to protest and how u carry that out will determine how people receive it. so while they have a right to protest, atleast in public, the nfl itself has no obligation to provide the platform, we also have the right to be offended and call them morons for doing it during a time that represents the very things supposedly being fought for. people seem to forget that we all have these rights, people who dont agree are just expressing their opinion on it which is their right.

id suggest quit making threads trying to debate whether we have the right to protest or not, thats really not what its about, and instead stick to following the real facts on the matter. i love how everyone on both sides has lost sight of the entire protest itself. now its all about whether they should kneel and if u continue with that you yourself are doing a disservice to the protest that has been going on which ive noticed most people dont have a clue what its about anymore. some think its about the govt, or trump, or kneeling while its about endemic racism within our inner cities or poor neighborhoods. i know that people want to avoid that portion of the debate cause there is no evidence at this time to support such a theory

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

Would anyone believe the polls?

They're called Polish people.

Or People from Poland.


Racist.

a reply to: seeker1963

You choose the bigoted path by labeling me something you dislike because I don't share the same views as you.

How do you feel about North Koreans being punished for not bowing down to Kim? I bet you think it's an injustice. Look in the mirror my friend.

Is that WWII Vet I mentioned on the last page an anarchist too?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Any outrage on this is just pawns.

Checkmate.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Ive never served, dont have American military history in my family, and dont watch sports....and I will show the respect a nations anthem is due.

That goes for other nations anthems too. Its what real people do.

I am also raised to be civilized. With as much crazy crap as I have in my head, I still come from a long line of civilized people. We raise our kids to be more than asshats.

At this point you cant say it wasnt BECAUSE Trump said to stand that this was done. So this is petty like barbarians are.

I freaking mean it. Animals fight this much.

a reply to: seeker1963

o.O I don't think you understand what today's Anarchists in politics are. Hint: they're not Antifa. Think Libertarians on steroids.

Learn to separate the two, and insults might be more effective when appropriately applied.