Another Research Paper Finds Aluminum Adjuvants in Vaccines do Cause Autism.

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LOL... ASIA syndrome = Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants... It isn't fabricated, but of course you have to claim "it is a fabricated illness"... The only one that FAILS is you, massively.

Are the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA) and the undifferentiated connective tissue disease (UCTD) related to each other? A case-control study of environmental exposures

Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (Shoenfeld’s syndrome) – An update

Autoimmune/Inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants and Thyroid Autoimmunity

The spectrum of ASIA: ‘Autoimmune (Auto-inflammatory) Syndrome induced by Adjuvants’

The only thing that should be filed under "fiction section" are your claims, and those of people who actually think that "neurotoxins" like aluminum adjuvant and thimerosal stop being neurotoxins when they are administered in humans.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

LOL... ASIA syndrome = Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants... It isn't fabricated, but of course you have to claim "it is a fabricated illness"... The only one that FAILS is you, massively.

Are the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA) and the undifferentiated connective tissue disease (UCTD) related to each other? A case-control study of environmental exposures

Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (Shoenfeld’s syndrome) – An update

Autoimmune/Inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants and Thyroid Autoimmunity

The spectrum of ASIA: ‘Autoimmune (Auto-inflammatory) Syndrome induced by Adjuvants’

The only thing that should be filed under "fiction section" are your claims, and those of people who actually think that "neurotoxins" like aluminum adjuvant and thimerosal stop being neurotoxins when they are administered in humans.

ASIA syndrome is an ALLEGED syndrome proposed by the notable anti-vaccine "researcher" Yehuda Shoenfeld.
The only "research" that has been produced on this fictitious syndrome, as demonstrated by your links, has been produced by him.
None of those links are real research either, just abstracts, a case study and opinion pieces.

Here's a sytematic review of all of the ASIA literature so far.
Revisiting ASIA Syndrome
"In 2011 Shoenfeld and Agmon-Levin proposed a new syndrome as a way of grouping together a range of emerging autoimmune diseases with possible adjuvant-associated causes, Autoimmune/Auto-inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants (ASIA). At present, there is no evidence to suggest that ASIA syndrome is a viable explanation for unusual autoimmune diseases. Since the initial paper, over 80 publications have discussed ASIA. This systematic review examines the research that has been done to investigate whether ASIA is a broad umbrella term with little clinical significance, or whether there is some underlying mechanism which could be utilised to reduce the occurrence of adjuvant mediated disease. Twenty-seven animal, epidemiological and case studies were reviewed. Unfortunately, a robust animal model of ASIA using biologically relevant doses of adjuvants has yet to be defined. It is also apparent that the broadness of the current ASIA criteria lack stringency and, as a result, very few cases of autoimmune disease could be excluded from a diagnosis of ASIA. The current studies involving human cases are so diverse, in both external stimuli and in resulting conditions, that there is currently a lack of reproducible evidence for any consistent relationship between adjuvant and autoimmune condition. The addition of a mandatory criterion requiring temporal association and clinically relevant adjuvant dose would allow better definition of what constitutes a diagnosis of ASIA.".

That's how desperate anti-vaxxers are when it comes to trying to bolster their beliefs.
They actually have to fabricate a syndrome to back their non-existent claims.

originally posted by: Pardon?


ASIA syndrome is an ALLEGED syndrome proposed by the notable anti-vaccine "researcher" Yehuda Shoenfeld.
The only "research" that has been produced on this fictitious syndrome, as demonstrated by your links, has been produced by him.

Wrong, already posted several research from different researchers, and they all agree with Shoenfeld... You can even look at references and find many other papers from other researchers from all over the globe. Shoenfeld isn't the only researcher who has written about this illness...

originally posted by: Pardon?
None of those links are real research either, just abstracts, a case study and opinion pieces.

BS, ALL research papers have abstracts... Some links only show the abstract but in other links the entire research can also be found. in many medical journals you can only read the abstract, and to see the entire research you have to be a member, or pay to be able to see the entire research... But all research have abstracts... ALL OF THEM... I can't excerpt all the research because of ATS policy... Keep making excuses to deny what the research states...

Gulf War syndrome is another type of illness that also was "made up" as you would claim...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?


ASIA syndrome is an ALLEGED syndrome proposed by the notable anti-vaccine "researcher" Yehuda Shoenfeld.
The only "research" that has been produced on this fictitious syndrome, as demonstrated by your links, has been produced by him.

Wrong, already posted several research from different researchers, and they all agree with Shoenfeld... You can even look at references and find many other papers from other researchers from all over the globe. Shoenfeld isn't the only researcher who has written about this illness...

originally posted by: Pardon?
None of those links are real research either, just abstracts, a case study and opinion pieces.

BS, ALL research papers have abstracts... Some links only show the abstract but in other links the entire research can also be found. in many medical journals you can only read the abstract, and to see the entire research you have to be a member, or pay to be able to see the entire research... But all research have abstracts... ALL OF THEM... I can't excerpt all the research because of ATS policy... Keep making excuses to deny what the research states...

Gulf War syndrome is another type of illness that also was "made up" as you would claim...

Pretty much all of the "research" papers can be linked back to Shoenfeld or his facility, notable exceptions come from Tomljenovic & Shaw who are jumping on the bandwagon as usual and all of them reference him.

So if you're using a flawed methodology to begin with as ASIA syndrome is, then it stands to reason that the rest of the research will be flawed doesn't it?
Strangely, or not so strangely, Shoenfeld hasn't addressed the major flaw in his alleged syndrome even though he's had this pointed out to him.

Just in case you missed it, it's this:
"The addition of a mandatory criterion requiring temporal association and clinically relevant adjuvant dose would allow better definition of what constitutes a diagnosis of ASIA".
Given that there's soooo much research been done on this by soooo many different researchers surely this factor should have been determined to give it proper credence but no, it seems to have been dodged.

I wonder why...?

And then there's this:
Evidence Refuting the Existence of ASIA Syndrome

a reply to: Pardon?

Are you really that dense and naive? Pretty much all medical research in which something new was discovered can be traced back to either one person, or one small group of people, and every research after that will use the discoverers as part of their references... Your obvious ignorance of this fact just shows that you only appear in threads like this one just to troll and not to provide any insight on such topics.

Oh, and "as for evidence against ASIA syndrome"?... There were several researchers who also came forward to claim Gulf War Syndrome is a made up illness... Same for "the tobacco industry claiming that tobacco couldn't increase the risk of cancer"...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

Are you really that dense and naive? Pretty much all medical research in which something new was discovered can be traced back to either one person, or one small group of people, and every research after that will use the discoverers as part of their references... Your obvious ignorance of this fact just shows that you only appear in threads like this one just to troll and not to provide any insight on such topics.

Oh, and "as for evidence against ASIA syndrome"?... There were several researchers who also came forward to claim Gulf War Syndrome is a made up illness... Same for "the tobacco industry claiming that tobacco couldn't increase the risk of cancer"...

Do a Pubmed search for "ASIA syndrome" (use quotation marks to keep to specific entries).
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
There are 36 results (and not all are research papers).
Then look at the authors.
Then tell me that there are still "loads of research papers by lots of different researchers".
There aren't. I've looked. It's there in black and white.
The ones that are there are directly connected to him, not just using him as a reference (with the notable exception of the T&S roadshow). There are a couple citing ASIA as a real syndrome though but they're all pre 2015 before the initial rebuttal was released so are citing it incorrectly.
That's very different to just referencing someone else's findings for new research.

And since you're obviously not dense nor naive you'll know that simply dismissing a paper based upon unrelated happenings doesn't work.
Tell me why the paper I linked to rebutting it is wrong and I might listen to you because at the moment you're just spouting conspiratorial nonsense.
I've told you why ASIA syndrome doesn't stand up so it's only fair you do the same to this.
Since you're not dense, ignorant nor naive...

And you still keep ignoring the major flaw in the syndrome description probably hoping that it's not important and it will go away.
It is very important and until they can include it, it won't go away and ASIA syndrome won't be recognised.

Hardly surprising but the "study" in the OP has now been retracted.
retractionwatch.com...

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That didn't take long.
Shaw and Tomljenovic seem to have difficulty with their "research."

Shaw, the paper’s last author, told us that his lab became aware of the PubPeer discussion a few weeks after publication:

We immediately did our own analysis. Indeed, some images have been altered. How that happened, we don’t know.

Oopsy. Now, how did that happen?


About the retraction of another article of theirs.

At best, what we have here are researchers with little or no expertise in very basic molecular biology techniques using old methodology that isn’t very accurate overinterpreting the differences in gene and protein levels that they found. At worst, what we have are antivaccine “researchers” who are not out for scientific accuracy but who actually want to promote the idea that vaccines cause autism….If this were a first offense, I’d give Shaw and Tomljenovic the benefit of the doubt, but this is far from their first offense.

retractionwatch.com...

Oh, I did not see that coming. At All.

Oh no, Sir, I did not.

"Flawed from the start"

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