Museum pulls controversial animal art due to threats

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

That's like saying that it's ok for artists to beat women up to show the plight of battered wives.

Ever watch movies or TV shows that have men beat up their wives?

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I understand the protesters. Every time I see "Dogs Playing Poker" I shiver. Ooooh the humanity.

a reply to: ketsuko

though the sourced article does not make it clear, it was staged by the artists for the purposes of filming. they have also done a live version.

The issue stems primarily from a video called “Dogs That Cannot Touch Each Other,” a seven-minute installation from artists Sun Yuan and Peng Yu that depicts four pairs of pit bulls trying fruitlessly to attack one another from wooden treadmills. The piece actually featured live dogs when it debuted in 2003 in Beijing, but animal rights supporters are no less upset by the video version.

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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
Ever watch movies or TV shows that have men beat up their wives?

pssst... those women are acting. the dogs are not acting.

a reply to: ketsuko

Did you see that dog at 2:10 crying out begging for them to stop it?

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

That's like saying that it's ok for artists to beat women up to show the plight of battered wives.

Ever watch movies or TV shows that have men beat up their wives?

Yep. That's called acting.

A Case Study of Transference (1994), a video of a previous live performance of two mating pigs stamped with Roman and Greek letters.

pig porn, the artist is guilty of sexual exploitation of pigs. if not curbed it will lead to bestiality. devil:

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
Another win for violent threats, and another unfortunate loss for both freedom of expression and art. I'm probably as big a dog (animal) lover as anyone else, but to disrespect art because of my feelings.. man. Art is supposed to be controversial, what the hell is wrong with these people (half a damn million of them). In my opinion, this is no different than those that want to remove statues..

Yep, we're heading down that road alright.. You will reap what you sow!!

i'm really trying to understand how you even came by this opinion? did you maybe not realize this video was staged, deliberately inflicting psychological cruelty on animals for the purposes of filming and calling it art?

would you think it was okay to rape someone and film it so art lovers could see how bad rape really is?

how do you even compare this to statues?

a reply to: fiverx313

That's a whole lot of projection based off watching a video. How do you know they are inflicting psychological cruelty? At the end of the video, the dogs calmly stop barking and get patted on the back. Just because they are running at each other and barking, doesn't mean they are in distress. Neither of us have enough context to come to any conclusion.

how do you even compare this to statues?

how do you not see the correlation? hint: context doesn't matter.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
That's a whole lot of projection based off watching a video. How do you know they are inflicting psychological cruelty? At the end of the video, the dogs calmly stop barking and get patted on the back. Just because they are running at each other and barking, doesn't mean they are in distress. Neither of us have enough context to come to any conclusion.

wow. you don't strike me as much of an animal lover to see it that way, tbh. these animals are encouraged to aggression, and psychologically manipulated. it's mean.

how do you not see the correlation? hint: context doesn't matter.

context always matters. there is no meaning without context.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

how do you not see the correlation? hint: context doesn't matter.

Hint: statues aren't living beings being forced to perform for art.

Cool. Then I suppose we're all okay with art that suggests pedophile behavior - and the people who buy and display that art?

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

True enough. Art has always had its controversies. If you get into it, every new style of art has caused offence.

There's the German guy with the cadavers. IIRC he was banned in some cities because he was deemed offensive for displaying those bodies. I expected your thread to be about him.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Answer: People using threats of violence to suppress something they deem offensive.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

Did you see that dog at 2:10 crying out begging for them to stop it?

You mean the barking? You said crying out, I expected whimpering or whining. That shrill squeal from the dog that lets you know it's in pain or certain distress.

The dog could be barking in excitement as much as anything else. If you've ever seen the shows in Animal Planet, you know fighting dogs that are getting amped up tend to bark.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Was he the one who used Chinese cadavers? I think one of the principle objections was that when Chinese cadavers were used, there was no way to source them. They could have been the bodies of Chinese political prisoners who did not donate their bodies to science.

Hmmm, China ...

I am sensing a theme with this.

a reply to: fiverx313

So because my interpretation of the art didn't affect me on such a level that i felt the need to protest it, means i don't care about animals?

You ever been to a zoo before?

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: fiverx313

So because my interpretation of the art didn't affect me on such a level that i felt the need to protest it, means i don't care about animals?

You ever been to a zoo before?

have you ever been to a zoo where they caged aggressive animals within sight of each other so they could get upset?

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Is it Man?

As controversial pretty much defines the totality of our situation really.

a reply to: Kandinsky

I've never heard of that artist, but i will look into him now. Thanks!