A Debate About Words

What if you and your friends decided to play a sick joke on humanity, and create a new language, but you would deliberately set it up so that in this new language, words would mean the opposite meaning of that word from preexisting languages. You and your crew happen to be in the highest echelon of society, and control and manipulate society on the regular.

For example, you would create a word like "hate"to mean love, north to mean south, and wet to mean dry. So, when this new language is up and running, when lovers express deep intimacy and feelings towards each other, they would say "I hate you", to which his significant other would reply, "oh sweetie, I hate you too!". You wouldn't limit your creativity to just opposites however; you would show off your wit to your friends by creating a word that means "pig or swine" to mean God, so that when the followers of this language pray, they will say "I believe in pig!", and "pigs have mercy on us all!".

Why would you pull such a clever, sinister prank? Partly, because it's funny and entertaining to your sick sense of humor, and you will get a kick out of hearing people pray to beasts and hearing a wife tell her husband she "hates" him. But mostly it's done to maintain control, as you are fully aware of the vibrational effects of words and how they shape and mold reality.

Ok ATS'ers, so here's my question for you: do you think that the words that this tricked society uses will have the original (opposite of their intention) definition of the preexisting languages (back to the above example, although he means "I love you" to his wife, the vibrational frequency he's putting out to the universe is that of hate, as that's the original definition of the word he uses), or do you think the words themselves are irrelevant, and that it's only the intent behind the words that matter?

I know it's a bit confusing, so if you need to read it again, go for it.

Here's my take; I believe regardless of our artificial definitions superimposed on words, every word or name vibrates to a number and every number has its inner meaning. The letter and number code, when rightly understood and applied, gives us the REAL definition (or vibrational state) of the word. This is numerology 101, a science that unfortunately not too many people in this day are familiar with. This is how the ancients came up with words and their definitions back in the day. In fact, the Hebrews used this science of names and numbers to obscure their meanings in the bible from the uninitiate, and at the same time to reveal their inner teachings to the initiate.

"Each letter of the Hebrew alphabet has several meanings- for example the letter Aleph (A) means "life-breath, power, source" while the letter Beth (B) means "house, shelter"- and so on with every letter. The symbology allows hidden teachings to be evident to those who knew how to read the deeper messages contained in the bible.

For example, the story of Cain killing Abel is about fraternal rivalry. But symbolically, the name Cain, numerologically, means body and materialistic human desires, while Abel stands for the soul and idealistic human nature. These characters were so named to warn that materialism would kill spiritual ideas; hence Cain would kill Abel." (Quoted from "Numerology & the Divine Triangle" by Faith Javane)

Me personally, I believe something similar to the above mentioned scenario has taken place. The English language borrows words and phrases from several preexisting languages, such as Latin, Aramaic, etc. The more you dig into the etymologies of several of the words we use, the more you realize the above imagined scenario may not be so far fetched! I am going to list some word etymologies to give you an idea:

Bless - to mark or consecrate with blood; to sacrifice. This gives the phrase "God bless you" a whole new dimension!

Black- gloomy, unlucky, bad, wicked, malicious. To call your self a "black person" would seem asinine under this
definition.

Pharmacy- poisoning, witchcraft, sorcerer.

Invierno - (Spanish word for winter) derives from Inferno, which means hell in Italian! (Heaven is actually hot and winter is cold; they flipped everything upside down on us, not too different than the above fictionalized example)

Music- derives from muse and sic(k). Muse means "to think" and sick means... Well, I think you get the picture. To think sick? I just did a thread about this.

God- the word God comes from the German word Gott, which stems from gothic. But my personal take on it (and this may be a stretch) is that God spelled backwards is dog (the two words also sound very much alike), which is a lower consciousness than man. So when we pray to "God", are we perhaps worshipping a lesser, animalistic being?

(All etymologies came from www.etymonline.com...)

Anyways, I can go on and on but I think you get the point. The English language IS a back words language, not unlike the imagined scenario above.

Anyways, would love to hear different opinions on this.

a reply to: sekerofknowlege

That would be a sick joke wouldn't it. A lot of words already do that though.

create a word like "hate"to mean love, 

that's evil in reverse.

a reply to: sekerofknowlege

I cannot agree with any of the vibrational stuff, but the superstition that words can affect the physical world has been around since at least ancient Greece, and if you're right, ancient Egypt. Now that we know more about physics and biology, that is simply untrue, yet the metaphor persists as a superstition.

So in answer to your question, the meanings of words change according to usage.

a reply to: sekerofknowlege

I don't know about the magical sounds of the Jewish language having special powers. But words do have meanings that can eventually be sorted out. For example, when man beats a women regularly that's not love. Love is little acts of kindness for someone else with no expectations in return. At some point, love has to mean love. And hate has to mean hate.

One of my favorite all-time comedians Emo would say, "Ambiguity, the devil's vegetable garden."

What would happen if a group of mutes decided to put your plan into sign language ? would the #'s vibration thing still play out ?

The unconscious mind does not hear that negation or negative thought? Anything you say or think about that is negative is processed the same way as if you were saying, “this is what I want.” In other words, if you were saying, “I don’t want that to happen”, your subconscious mind is naturally saying, “I want that to happen.”

But worded just the right way, you can sway herds of people towards a specific intent. Such as what the media does. Or really persuasive writers.

The subconscious can't process negative words, so don't kill = kill.

Rowan Atkinson covered it in his DR WHO spoof.
Biological, methane language

Are you sure about those last three?

I think invierno comes from hibernus, not inferno. Inferno means something that is below; inferior. Hibernus means wintry.

Musica means 'of the Muses'. And 'god' is way older than 'dog'.

a reply to: sekerofknowlege

I think you are referring to sarcastic people.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Now that we know more about physics and biology, that is simply untrue

I have to disagree on this point. Sounds have the power to move objects and float objects. Experiments have shown this. So it is not superstitious at all. By changing sound waves you can manipulate matter, with frequency and amplitude modulation.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Now that we know more about physics and biology, that is simply untrue

I have to disagree on this point. Sounds have the power to move objects and float objects. Experiments have shown this. So it is not superstitious at all. By changing sound waves you can manipulate matter, with frequency and amplitude modulation.

Sure, what can you move with a word?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Maybe not a word, but combining them into some modulating sequence can make water change to cool shapes. So maybe not the word, but the sound that is generated.

Words have been used to move masses of people . A short was into this vid you will see how Mr. Jones convinced slaves to love their slavery ...

a reply to: sekerofknowlege
But what about the Masaru Emoto water experiment?

It would be interesting to test the experiment by having people recite
words in a language they have never spoken and then see what the end
results would be on water.

Also would be interesting to see what would happen if criminals
and saints were given the same words to recite, the see how the water is affected.

I sure would be interested in knowing what happens when the words Christian , Jew , Muslim,
Hindu , etc, are spoken individually in front of water.
Now THAT could lead to some conttroversy!

An interesting notion, for sure.

It rather reminds me of Orwell's comments that if the language is corrupted, what follows naturally is that the thought processes will become corrupted.

In the old days, "liberal" was a good word with a good connotation meaning in favor of the individual.

These days the connotation has been changed by TPTB to a negative connotation, and thereby the thought processes are influenced negatively.

a reply to: Salander

In the old days, "liberal" was a good word with a good connotation meaning in favor of the individual. These days the connotation has been changed by TPTB to a negative connotation, and thereby the thought processes are influenced negatively.

A good observation ... Maybe we can make a distinction and make the word libtard legitimate while maintaining the good status of the word liberal .

a reply to: sekerofknowlege

Invierno - (Spanish word for winter) derives from Inferno, which means hell in Italian! (Heaven is actually hot and winter is cold; they flipped everything upside down on us, not too different than the above fictionalized example)

Haven't you ever heard the expression 'cold as hell'? Besides, for a lot of Spanish-speaking folk, there is nothing so hellish as a winter fit for Frenchmen, Huns, or Gringos.

Genesis 11:7

Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

a reply to: sekerofknowlege

I am very sceptical of this whole "words have power and can affect your state of vibration" stuff.

If words truly had power then language wouldn't evolve. But language did evolve and continues to evolve up until this present time.

If you meant thoughts can be so powerful that they are able to manifest into action, then I would agree more along those lines. Everyone has thoughts/inclinations/feelings, but not everyone speaks the same language.

originally posted by: sekerofknowlege
(Quoted from "Numerology & the Divine Triangle" by Faith Javane)

I think Faith Javane is making some easy money by telling people false stories about things that they want to hear and providing further evidence of 2 Timothy 4:3,4, all parties described there.

Paul mentions "...for we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are" at 2 Corinthians 2:17. I don't think there are many who could say that while maintaining honesty and a straight face while selling books.

You still sound like ChesterJohn in the Religion&Theology forum (the thread about bible chapters and verses). Or his way of arguing still sounds like your way of arguing or expressed way of thinking. I think "dopey" is still the most polite respectful terminology to describe that way of thinking and/or arguing when wanting to give people or the person thinking that way a heads-up about it.