What's with the obsession about "socialism" in conspiracy-circles lately?

Why is THAT suddenly a top-priority on the conspiri-internets? I've followed the scene for quite a while (since 2001) and it never was a big topic, until now.

Most of the "socialism is coming!"-wackos seem to be Americans - as a non-American I find that highly bizarre. Of all western countries, the US is probably the least socialist in terms of economics (compared to Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Canada etc.) and yet it's the most important thing suddenly in the scene.

Phony US-led wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc. have cost so much money, you could subsidize welfare and healthcare in the States for the next thousand years with it (including all the illegals), banks got bailed out with astronomical sums overnight - yet the pet peeve now is socialism?!

I think it's in parts due all these SJWs and gender fanatics being called "socialists" all the time. You can blame the former eastern Soviet bloc for damn much, but they for sure weren't into that. Socialist regimes were more strict on sexuality than the Pope was. Being homosexual in the Soviet Union (and in other socialist countries) meant prison. And today's SJWs would have been just shot (not condoning it, just stating the facts). Sexual deviations were seen as "western aberrations and decadence" by the party, a burden on the socialist system (a non-reproducing cog basically). So conflating these two all the time is really disingenuous. More on that: www.pravdareport.com...

This all really looks and feels like a propaganda-effort to me. I am especially amazed by going to infowars.com and reading the Venezuela-themed articles there. Lots of commenters cheering up Trump's UN-speech and calling outright for military action against that country and Maduro because "Venezuela is socialist!" (And please don't come up with starving people and such - they are also starving and Yemen, Myanmar...)

Wow! The same people who opposed all military action of the past twenty years and rallied behind "America First!" are suddenly all-in for yet another regime-change, and all you had to do is replace "dictator" or "middle eastern dictator" with "socialist dictator". It boggles my mind. If that isn't some social-engineering and PsyOP in action I don't know what is.

I dont know. Whats the obsession with people pushing socialism and neo-communism on us as a form of political system?

Whatever the news talks about the gullible will buy into. Socialism is only an issue because the media has been talking about it fairly recently. It's a boogeyman to make people afraid and malleable.

a reply to: ScoochieMcGroogle

Maybe because the end game is a system that see's anyone with a ounce of sense totally shut down. You are correct that the SJW and gender fluid stuff is classed as Socialist because that is what the "agenda" calls for.

I look around at people today esp Millennials and if I had been under a rock for 10 years would look at the world as "what the f#ck has happened", it s these folks that are "pushing" the agenda and the majority of people calling them out on their BS is rising hence it is such a hot topic...

Pick a side and get the popcorn,,



RA

originally posted by: ScoochieMcGroogle
Most of the "socialism is coming!"-wackos seem to be Americans - as a non-American I find that highly bizarre. Of all western countries, the US is probably the least socialist in terms of economics (compared to Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Canada etc.) and yet it's the most important thing suddenly in the scene.

Some of us "wackos" want to keep it that way.

a reply to: pirhanna

Who is pushing communism in the US? I hope you don't mean singleplayer healtcare or something like that. Almost all of Europe would be communist then.

If you mean all the SJWs and their insane talking points: That's exactly what I mean with PsyOP. Some kind of boogey-man is being built here. Believe me: In a "true" communist system, SJWs and their ilk would be in the gulag. You can't have communism if a significant part of the population spends most of their time complaining about gender instead of working in a factory.

Snowflakes are actually the results of a (still) somewhat wealthy society (parents with money) with ever-increasing automation (lots of free time!) which places an extreme value on individualism. But these idiots are great cannon fodder to built a narrative around.. For TPTP, the whole alt-right vs antifa narrative is God sent! Divide and conquer, as good as it gets. And thus labeling the SJWers as "socialists" fits perfectly into the PsyOP to create the boogey.

a reply to: ScoochieMcGroogle

It is quite simple if you are a older American. One of our cherished beliefs is the term FREEDOM,and that is buttressed by many of us believing that our Second Amendment, to bear arms, is interwoven within that ideological belief. Some you can't get that association in that you have a nanny state or a strong Big Brother state that holds that the citizenry should not have weapons that they could turn against the state. (Stemming usually from the existing government having defeated foes within and without that government. --How soon you forget.)

Socialism, right or wrongly, is seen as a step toward communism and giving up our freedom, such scant little as we retain today under government surveillance, but the concept still remains as an idealized right. Yes, "freedom" and "democracy" hardly exist realistically in the states anymore except as a state of (old) mind. You have to humor us as we actually were the defenders of the world a couple of times, relied upon by millions and millions to maintain or return them to a tolerable life, but times are changing, people are complacent both here and abroad.

originally posted by: ScoochieMcGroogle
a reply to: pirhanna

Snowflakes are actually the results of a wealthy society (parents with money) with ever-increasing automation (lots of free time!) which places an extreme value on individualism.

You know what I think you may have a very valid point "to some degree" with that statement, I have something to ponder the rest of the night...


RA

a reply to: ScoochieMcGroogle

Conspiracy is all about secret government agendas, distrust in the government, government cover-ups. . . . etc.

Socialism is enabling a larger, more controlling government, putting faith and trust in government entities.


Do you see the dichotomy now?

It's ANTIFA, liberal professors, Hollywood personalities and some of the media. George Soros and his minions. OMG - I'm sounding paranoid! I may need to take a break from ATS for a while.

originally posted by: ScoochieMcGroogle

Who is pushing communism in the US?

What?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ScoochieMcGroogle

Conspiracy is all about secret government agendas, distrust in the government, government cover-ups. . . . etc.

Socialism is enabling a larger, more controlling government, putting faith and trust in government entities.


Do you see the dichotomy now?

Not quite, because the government is just one part of the equation. A lot of behind-the-strings is actually pulled by Silicon Valley, Bilderberg, military contractors..

Do you think they want "communism" by the book and give up all their toys to the state? You don't have that many top of the top seats in government alone...

It's more about establishing a new aristrocracy (or strengthening it) than "communism". All the faux-socialism talk is just that. It's a fake narrative.

originally posted by: pirhanna
I dont know. Whats the obsession with people pushing socialism and neo-communism on us as a form of political system?

No one is pushing anything on anyone. But do you know what is slowly becoming a reality, and will be 'pushed' whether you like it or not?
Globalization, and with it comes accepting other people and living together and sharing this whole planet, socialism is a stepping stone towards a libertarian society, and then capitalism and healthy liberal middle ideology is the end goal.

Unfortunately there's a lot of nationalism still around in majority of the countries in the world. And they don't like globalism, I think that's where the conspiracy ultimately comes from.

originally posted by: ScoochieMcGroogle
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not quite, because the government is just one part of the equation. A lot of behind-the-strings is actually pulled by Silicon Valley, Bilderberg, military contractors..

Do you think they want "communism" by the book and give up all their toys to the state? You don't have that many top of the top seats in government alone...

It's more about establishing a new aristrocracy (or strengthening it) than "communism".

A rose by any other name. . . .

Some people want big government, more controlling government. *shrugs*

Do YOU trust and have faith in YOUR government?

I trust the government just as much as I trust Google or Facebook...

And I delete my cache every time I close the browser.

originally posted by: ScoochieMcGroogle
I trust the government just as much as I trust Google or Facebook...

And I delete my cache every time I close the browser.

Yet you see nothing wrong with socialism and large government.

How can you distrust government and at the same time, espouse a large-government system?

a reply to: ScoochieMcGroogle

Because this country just had an honest to God self admitted socialist come within several million votes of contending for the office of President. That's something which was unthinkable just 20 years ago, when people in elected office simply did not run on socialist platforms because they would rightfully be strung from the street lights for doing so.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ScoochieMcGroogle
I trust the government just as much as I trust Google or Facebook...

And I delete my cache every time I close the browser.

Yet you see nothing wrong with socialism and large government.

How can you distrust government and at the same time, espouse a large-government system?

I've wrote about gulags for being gay in the SU and you think I am in love with socialism? Thinking that some socialised nets (like healthcare) is not of the devil and not being on the McCarthy 2.0 bandwagon doesn't mean one is a communist. It's patently obvious to me that the faux-socialism panic is engineered.

In communism, the wealth of the soviet elites wasn't that great compared to the tycoons of the west. All these Fortune 500 Bilderbergers etc. for sure won't give up their private jets and precious data-molesting servers to some Soviet style general secretary to live in a dacha afterwards. Does anyone really think THAT's what makes them wet at night and what their meeting are about? Really?!

It's obvious that the end-game is something entirely different. More like creating a new ultra-privileged class. A new nobility and a new serfdom basically. All the fake commie-talk and alt-right/antifa narrative is engineered diversion.

a reply to: ScoochieMcGroogle

If that isn't some social-engineering and PsyOP in action I don't know what is.

Antifa?



Or just decades of neocon madness and a few years of neoliberal bollocks, having the establishment crapping into their pants during every single protest? Imagine funny PR requests like "stop the socialists surge" ... "Antifa must be labeled domestic terrorists" and then read those threads on ATS. It's hilarious to imagine certain posters wearing cosplay costumes while doing so but you don't have that from me.
Think I should author a compendium on those techniques, user instructions for applied madness. It may save some lives & souls, actually. But now I've socialized another genius thought and you can do the typing. I'm so UdSSR... it's bad. BAD!

The thing I find most amazing on ATS is how many Americans use the word 'socialism' without having the slightest idea what it actually means.