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a reply to: Aazadan

I disagree I think people that attend college have an inability to challenge and question things. College students get caught in an echo chamber and group think and often lose the ability to think for themselves.

a reply to: Aazadan

I think again your assumpotions are not quite right.

The world doesn't need anything. Humans do.

Humans needs are subjective other than food, shelter, companionship

College doesn't always create such an environment. Look at Ben Shapiro in Berkley. Those students couldn't bare to hear a pretty standard conservative speak? It was like rioting for rand Paul coming to campus. I don't agree with his viewpoint but it doesn't cause me to be hysterical.

Primary school has already set kids up to not question things. Critical thinking is at an all time low.

Also things like say fixing something broken by looking at the parts and not just following a YouTube video is a big difference. Humans used to regularly have to use critical thinking.

My wife, a research professor, has attended several discussions about the lack of students able to design their own expirments. Great at following directions. Not so much at creating the framework for a study. This is across the US in college research labs

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Aazadan

I disagree I think people that attend college have an inability to challenge and question things. College students get caught in an echo chamber and group think and often lose the ability to think for themselves.

How much time have you spent in college? I would fundamentally disagree with you, and I've got 450 semester credits so I've been around the block a few times.

There are certainly professors that fall into a political camp and espouse those opinions, but there's a lot of others too. A much larger number of professors than you would believe don't really care what a student says. What they want to do is see a student make a case for something and support it using reasoning, logic, and critical thinking.

I can tell you that I've lost count of the times where I've challenged what a professor has said. I've never once been punished for it. Sometimes I've written papers as a response to one of their lectures, other times I've gone up to them after class and simply talked to them. My experience in doing so has been overwhelmingly positive. I don't win the debates often, but professors love to see that they're being listened to and evaluated.

In liberal arts classes in particular, professors aren't there to teach you directly. They're there to give you something to think about, to accept or challenge, and to come up with your own ideas. To the uninitiated that often comes across as group think and indoctination but that's not the point of it at all.

originally posted by: luthier
College doesn't always create such an environment. Look at Ben Shapiro in Berkley. Those students couldn't bare to hear a pretty standard conservative speak? It was like rioting for rand Paul coming to campus. I don't agree with his viewpoint but it doesn't cause me to be hysterical.

That's what happens if you go to a protest school. I always wanted to study at Berkley but I didn't. I got accepted, I just didn't go.

Remember, students by default are not experts in a subject, and often times aren't tolerant... students are very prone to being radicalized. I think that what happened at Berkley (and many other schools) where speakers are shot down, is a failure of school administration. It's their job to create an environment where speakers can come and challenge listeners. All too often lately, schools have tried to let students be the adults in the room and create self guided learning. That doesn't work, because students by definition haven't yet had their minds properly expanded.

Berkley should have known better, but they didn't. That's a failure on them, but it's a failure of the student experience, not necessarily an indictment of the classroom environment. And certainly not a knock against all schools. I actually think the smaller colleges that don't get all the partiers or the protestors are the better places to attend.

My wife, a research professor, has attended several discussions about the lack of students able to design their own expirments. Great at following directions. Not so much at creating the framework for a study. This is across the US in college research labs

I've seen this one first hand. I think it was this thread (I've been active in a few today) where I mentioned the fact that I got a very good job this past summer. My main qualification for the job was that I'm able to architect a system, figure out what is needed, how it all fits together, build the individual software components, and make it work. My classmates are all better programmers than me, every single one. Yet, none of them have that ability. I don't understand why they don't have that ability, but they just don't. If I want them to build something, I have to give them specifics of every single piece, and how to do it. Once given step by step instructions they can build it, and do so better than I can. But without that hands on management they're helpless.

I have yet to figure out why. We went through the same classroom experiences, they did better than me on every single assignment, and they understood the lectures better than me.

a reply to: Aazadan

Study Finds Chinese Students Excel in Critical Thinking. Until College.

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Is technology producing a decline in critical thinking and analysis?

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Study: Many college students not learning to think critically

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IS COLLEGE WORTH IT? MANY STUDENTS STILL LACK CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AFTER COMPLETING HIGHER EDUCATION

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a reply to: Aazadan


So first you disagreed that colleges aren't what I say and now you agree that colleges are what I say?

a reply to: luthier

The technology issue is easy to explain. When you have access to the worlds collective body of knowledge, you don't have to think, you just have to see what was written by those who do think.

It's why I don't do most readings on subjects for school. I either figure out enough to rederive the knowledge, or I don't.

Your mcclatchy link undermines itself though. It says that the students they followed spent under 20% of their time doing college related material, including time in class. If they were usual 15 credit hour students, that means they should have been spending about 18 hours a week in lecture. Since there's 168 hours in a week, that would suggest they spent about 10 hours a week on homework. I can only speak from experience here, but that's some pretty easy homework. I've taken individual classes that demand 10 hours a day.

I'm curious what schools they followed. In general, the more prestigious the school (the higher the pass/graduation rate) the more likely you are to not learn anything. For example, a couple years ago Yale bragged that they didn't have a single student fail a single class for an entire year. That doesn't necessarily mean they were teaching well, it just means that they don't have the courage to fail students. I contrast that with my current program which has a mere 8% graduation rate and we have some high quality graduates.

I've got plenty of criticism's of Universities, and this is one of them... they're too scared to fail people, and they make the material too easy in order to secure additional funding. Many colleges these days are forced to operate on quota systems, where they must pass x% of the class, if only to ensure they have enough registered to take the next class the following semester.

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Aazadan


So first you disagreed that colleges aren't what I say and now you agree that colleges are what I say?

Not at all. Those who graduated in my story still gained quite a few job and life skills. They simply didn't have the skills I thought they should have. Maybe I just have a natural ability for project management? In University, professors generally take the project management role so students don't get much experience with it.

I'm not in favor of 4 year educations either. It should take a PHD to qualify for an entry level position. Bachelors degrees only mean a person has read up on the subject, they haven't actually contributed to it until the doctorate level. If you can't contribute to a field, you're less than entry level in my opinion.

a reply to: DisinfoEqualsTerrorism

Screw political correctness it is for sensitive wimps. This is real life not fantasy land where nobody says anything wrong. There must be something in the water turning people into a bunch of pussies. I guess not one person on earth should be president if they have ever said or done anything wrong. Why is this world obsessed with living in the past. I would rather have a REAL person as president then some fake ass person that talks all nice and pc but behind closed doors is a vile lying hag.

originally posted by: 7Elect
a reply to: DisinfoEqualsTerrorism

Screw political correctness it is for sensitive wimps. This is real life not fantasy land where nobody says anything wrong. There must be something in the water turning people into a bunch of pussies. I guess not one person on earth should be president if they have ever said or done anything wrong. Why is this world obsessed with living in the past. I would rather have a REAL person as president then some fake ass person that talks all nice and pc but behind closed doors is a vile lying hag.

Why not have an actual moral person who isn't a vile lying hag, and actually has some sense of class and decency?

a reply to: Aazadan

Don't you know? Me Tarzan you Jane. Me smash little guy with book thing and stupid glasses. Me stronger. Me make better president than weakling guy. Me STRONGER! Jane, get me beer!

a reply to: RomeByFire of course you are correct-I'm sure other presidents also spoke in plain language LBJ comes to mind his language would have made Trump blush- the media had boundaries then and respected the office.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Aazadan

I disagree I think people that attend college have an inability to challenge and question things. College students get caught in an echo chamber and group think and often lose the ability to think for themselves.

How much time have you spent in college? I would fundamentally disagree with you, and I've got 450 semester credits so I've been around the block a few times.

There are certainly professors that fall into a political camp and espouse those opinions, but there's a lot of others too. A much larger number of professors than you would believe don't really care what a student says. What they want to do is see a student make a case for something and support it using reasoning, logic, and critical thinking.

I can tell you that I've lost count of the times where I've challenged what a professor has said. I've never once been punished for it. Sometimes I've written papers as a response to one of their lectures, other times I've gone up to them after class and simply talked to them. My experience in doing so has been overwhelmingly positive. I don't win the debates often, but professors love to see that they're being listened to and evaluated.

In liberal arts classes in particular, professors aren't there to teach you directly. They're there to give you something to think about, to accept or challenge, and to come up with your own ideas. To the uninitiated that often comes across as group think and indoctination but that's not the point of it at all.

Norhoc is correct. I work at a research University with daily interaction with students, in the liberal arts.

I will quote Norhoc's post. It is true and the staff I work with would all agree.

. . .I think people that attend college have an inability to challenge and question things. College students get caught in an echo chamber and group think and often lose the ability to think for themselves.

a reply to: Edumakated

Most folks from back east, knew of Trump's racist azz, from the days when he discriminated against AAs and Latinos trying to rent his apartments, the way he treated the same in his casino, don't forget the Central Pk 5.
Yes he hobnobbed with AA sports and movie types..but still racist as hell.

Floyd?? His opinion is his, uninformed as he is.

Floyd beats DJT in a fist fight any day of the week

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Aazadan

I disagree I think people that attend college have an inability to challenge and question things. College students get caught in an echo chamber and group think and often lose the ability to think for themselves.

But before the last couple of dopey presidents the schools taught us to think for ourselves. Now the elite appear to want to stomp out that stuff and tell us we must groupthink or they will send antifa and BLM to whack us on the head.

a reply to: Justoneman

Ohjeezuschrist..Really???

originally posted by: DisinfoEqualsTerrorism
a reply to: burdman30ott6

"Grab em by the balls" isn't a sexual euphemism, it's meant to be under cutting and controlling in it's purpose. It has nothing to do with real balls.

"Grab em by the p***y" is a sexual metaphor for being about to do anything sexual you want to women. This doesn't preclude grabbing them by the pussy, it includes it.

Good Lord... mental gymnastics at it's finest.
Thanks for the laugh.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
Say what you want about Floyd,
He is his own man and always 'keeps it real'

Also, he is a totally different person when he's not in Money May Mode.

So true. I've never been a fan of Floyd when he is in his Money May Mode but I get this is what he does to drive hype around an upcoming match. That aside when he is just being himself he has a way of making very simplistic (yet very revealing) observations of the world.

I appreciate this in people.

I find it UTTERLY hilarious the self righteous moral superiority some of these so called men in this thread are projecting.

If you are saying you have NEVER once in your life said anything that could be considered unclassly/lewd/crude about some chick you found hot around your buddys you are full of #.

I give this about as much credit and possibility as Kim Jong telling people he never takes a dump.

Furthermore women are FAR immune from this. Work as a doorman in a club sometime and see. Hell just go to a TV shows facebook page and see some of the OBJECTIFYING/SEXUAL stuff said about the (hot) men on these shows by women.

Fake outrage fckers make me sick. Same types who go to church every Sunday and afterwards go home curse like a sailor and spread rumor's about their neighbors and break 80% of the 10 commandments later that week while claiming to be pure and holy.