Russia to Deploy S-400 Missile Defenses

Originally posted by Laxpla


Where is the source that said that the B2 was tracked? Also, Stealth planes turn on a Friendly signal when they are in non hostile terroitory, I remember watching on TV( a big fuss), at my home towns airshow, Rochester NY, a F-117 came within 300 feet from a comercial airline, and it forgot to turn on its friendly singnal.

I'm not saying that they did or did not track a B-2, as I have not seen a credible source. I am simply addressing the common speculation on this board that they have been tracked.

www.hippy.freeserve.co.uk... - That mention something about one being gunned down. Don't know if it is true or not.

I stopped reading that at this:

The Americans have a pretty sorry past when it comes to military technology

I'm not sure of what the point of that was. Everyone already knows one F-117 was downed.

[edit on 13-2-2005 by Disturbed Deliverer]

I told you this is why there flying over Iran www.washingtonpost.com...

Laplaxa, the F-22 has a first see capability against some 3-4 th gen aircrafts flying individually. besides, the advisary will be able to see the raptor only when its too late.

but that does not mean that the raptor will not be seen at all



now how does this change if u throw an AWACS to the red side ???

besides, if a 4th gen russian fighter can get past the F-22's BVR might, then it would surely be taken out in a WVR fight like this.

the F-22 may be more menuverable than its predecessors, but still not as much as sukhoi's and mig-29's

oops ...double post..corrected



[edit on 15-2-2005 by Stealth Spy]

besides the PAK-FA is on the way



here is what happened to the F-22 in december






the software on that bird must be fixed first.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH, I like that Pic Stealth Spy, I think this might be Russian's Future Combat Fighter, www.aeronautics.ru...

[edit on 15-2-2005 by SiberianTiger]

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Laplaxa, the F-22 has a first see capability against some 3-4 th gen aircrafts flying individually. besides, the advisary will be able to see the raptor only when its too late.

but that does not mean that the raptor will not be seen at all



now how does this change if u throw an AWACS to the red side ???

besides, if a 4th gen russian fighter can get past the F-22's BVR might, then it would surely be taken out in a WVR fight like this.

the F-22 may be more menuverable than its predecessors, but still not as much as sukhoi's and mig-29's

The F-22 will guarantee U.S. air dominance for the next 40 years. The Raptor is made to destroy Russia's newest class of fighters.

I have to admit, the Su-47 is an amazing aircraft, but not up to the standards to shoot down a Raptor. I mean, how can you shoot something you can't detect at a size of a bee? The Su-47 would not be able to see the Raptor, the Su-47 would be cruising, seeing nothing on their radar, when WHAM!, their wings just blew up.

The PAK-FA is ment to compete with the JSF to my knowledge? Even so, the JSF has a option to be equiped with a 100kw laser to shoot down aircraft and missiles that engage it.

In all conclusion, the JSF, the Raptor, the lasers, all have funding. The Russians can't afford their aircraft to go into a usable airforce. When the Soviets fell, that led into a bad aftermath for the current Russian economy. The Russians are improving, but not the status like the United States.

When new microwave weapons that is in current research, that would be able to disarm missiles and planes but shooting a beam in milliseconds.

regards,

Lax

Just wanted to post some pictures.

How do you know for sure that russian radars cant dectect Stealth planes. I do not know if they can but how do you know that they can? It is quite possible that Russia can dectect Stealth planes but we just do not know.

If you look back, the S-400 isn't going to be Russsia's air defence system, the S-500 in 2012 will be. I posted that on previous links. The s-400 is going to be placed in a few areas and then the otehrs will be sold.

perhaps the s 500 will be the main AA defense perhaps not.

Sorry to go back a little but i got a scenario id like to run past you lot, say a B-2 with Raptor escorts goes up against a russian air defence battery!

Lets say that russian radars carnt detect the aircraft, or in the case of the older B-2 dont recognise the track as an enemy unit, so they close to firing range and engage.
Bays open and several munitions are dropped (What munition would be fired on the battery, i would say an anti-rad missile but what, im not too well up on those)
Now when the munitions are launched wouldnt they show up on radar and wouldnt the B-2 with an open bay be more visible.
So S-400 wakes up, reacts to the attack by firing upon the B-2, Falling munitions detected by TOR/PANTSYR system(s) attached to battery for the integrated multi-layer defence the russians love and engaged before they hit.
Result: B-2 down, raptors make a clean getaway (maby engaged optically) russian radar infrastructure takes damage as a % of the munitions make it to ground.

Well thats it, you agree, you disagree, you think what a load of old ***, you ignore?

That seems as a good possibility.

Laplaxa u still have'nt answered my query about the raptor , taking the enemy AWACS into consideration.

i am sorry the tone of my earlier post was harsh and anti-american

I am not agianst america or the F-22, but i only have a few queries.i request u to answer them

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Laplaxa u still have'nt answered my query about the raptor , taking the enemy AWACS into consideration.

i am sorry the tone of my earlier post was harsh and anti-american

I am not agianst america or the F-22, but i only have a few queries.i request u to answer them

Taking an enemy Awacs into consideration:


-Remember when 5 F-15s were vs One Raptor? Who won?
-The F-15's couldnt detect the Raptor until it was right above its head.
-Bumble bee size, B-2 is a Tricycle.

Agh, the F/A-22 Raptor Team Web Site dosn't work right now at 9:09, but when it works I will come back with another reply.

Also, I email Rob (Raptor Director) almost every week, asking him questions like these, he will give you some nice insight. Email him and find out.

remember the SU-30 has a much more powerfull radar than the F-22

however the SU-30 is a much larger aircraft so probably sticks out like a sore thumb, but the crucial point being the F-22 will be in the SU-30's range before it is exposed itself

ok do u hav any proof F/a 22 signature is a bumblebee it wil hav to get really close to detect it aslo i thik youre wrong about the radar the F/A 22 AESA radar is the most advanced radar ever equipped into a fighter it is a mini awacs in its own right its radar range is over 2 times that of any fighters radar exceptionally powerful and effecient 125 miles but its actually classified so i bet its more cause AESA's are very powerful it has a AIM 120 C that has 45 miles AIm 120 d will have 50% more range and a proposal is one with a scarjet for a a far further range the F/A 22 has 2d thrust vectoring high thrust to weight rtios as well unprecedented situational awareness thanks to avionics i like those economics

www.f22-raptor.com...

go look under technology especially overview avionics stealth and supercruise

and also this site its not the same site look under future tech that's my reccomendation
www.f-22raptor.com...
the F/A 22 will slaughter the SU 30


[edit on 21-2-2006 by urmomma158]

Of course the system can shoot down an F-22, if the F-22 pilot is foolish to get close enough. Stealth is a matter of degree, not a magical omnipotent invisibility cloak. The F-22 is far less visible to radar than a conventional fighter - but not totally invisible to radar - that's physically impossible. If it gets close enough to the emitter, it can be tracked and taken out.