turmeric and black pepper.

so they say you need to take back pepper or your body wont absorb the tumeric extract supliments... they say fresh ground pepper is best.. i cant really seem to find out exactly how much black pepper you need to take.

so i have been getting out my grinder and putting 10 twist of black pepper into my bowl of oatmeal each morning. its very spicy, hopefully that is enough black pepper.

or today i tried black pepper water. boiled the water, put 10 twist from the grinder into the water, let it set for a bit and drank it. it was very spicy hot water, most of he pepper settles to the bottom of the cup so i kept suturing it up.. when you are all done there is still some black pepper in the bottom of the cup so its not sure if its a good way to do it or not. ill tell you it sure seemed to wake me up and give me some energy tho.. do you all thik this is a good way to get the black pepper in my system. ??

my main quest is who much black pepper do i need if i want to absorb the tumeric. grams or spoon measurements are good

I'm not sure how much you need to have an effect, and whether you need to consume it with your supplement or not.

What I did was buy a product with Piperine (Black Pepper Extract) already in it.
Many turmeric or curcumin products come with the Piperine (Black Pepper Extract) already added.

Also, care should be taken because Piperine (Black Pepper Extract) can interact with other drugs and make them more effective.
So, drinking black pepper infused water, or sprinkling black pepper on food may be safer if you take prescriptions.

a reply to: dannylightning

Supplement Facts here.

www.vitacost.com...

i take a teaspoon of turmeric in the morning to help with my joint inflammation. would i still need the black pepper to more effectively absorb the turmeric?

i am using real black pepper, not the extract so that link does not give me the information i am looking for but thanks..

i get a few months supply of the now brand and its pretty inexpensive so i plan to stick with that and use real black pepper. also now brand is said to be very good not all supplements are good quality so that is another reason i like the now brand..

originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
i take a teaspoon of turmeric in the morning to help with my joint inflammation. would i still need the black pepper to more effectively absorb the turmeric?

they claim your body will just flush out almost all of it without the black pepper, with black pepper your body will absorb the turmeric..

I see Don't tread on me beat me to the warning. That's good, I hate being the only one knowing this kind of stuff.

For some, consuming too much thiols is bad, Turmeric raises thiol levels, being sort of a sulfonamide if I remember right. If you eat too much of these chemistries and can't break them down, it can cause a lot of problems in the body.

www.livingnetwork.co.za...

I didn't evaluate all of the information in this article, I do know quite a bit about the thiols and their effect on the body though, some people cannot break them down well. I do keep turmeric in the house and use it once in a while. I keep it more for it's medicinal value than as a spice value. Not everyone can eat this chemistry, beware.....If I remember right, about fifteen percent of people have negative effects if they utilize it on a regular basis. The rate is higher in Northern Europeans, that group is somewhat more intolerant to the turmeric chemistry, it is more of a medicine to them than a spice.

a reply to: dannylightning

oh fantastic. so now i've gotta go from eating dirt to eating spicy dirt.
along with the tree branch taste of saw palmetto, the disturbing persistence of garlic, the strength of cinnamon, and the underwater sensation of fish oil.

I'll be like a curry gone wrong.

a reply to: rickymouse

Thanks

In addition to what you said, many seem to get positive results from using curcumin/turmeric. I used it with the black pepper extract for several months...and saw no relief from the inflammation I had in my thumbs.....arthritis.

I switched to boswellia/bioperine combination and get great results.
I also saw relief from the swelling/pain in my thumbs after I removed wheat/gluten from my diet.

IOW....YMMV.
As with prescription drugs, not all drugs/supplements work the same on different people.

a reply to: dannylightning
I was given the understanding that you did not need a lot of black pepper to acquire the desired effect.

I make a turmeric tea by the quart. I use fresh turmeric boiled and left to seep overnight. I just put in about 1 teaspoons per quart, a guesstimate.

It looks like it should be about right since the Vitacost ROOT2 Turmeric Extract Curcumin C3 Complex® with Bioperine as displayed by the link provided by Infolurker shows they add 5mg of black pepper to 1160mg of turmeric.

So, is it basically Frankincense mixed with an extract of pepper?

I think boswellia had something to do with the age old medicine frankincense.

Black pepper actually has some pretty good properties associated with it. We buy an organic one, it tastes so much better than the ones available in the stores. I think it is just because organic ones need to be certified pure. I notice almost all the organic spices seem to have a more rich taste, we buy them at the coop usually. Buying them bulk seems pretty expensive when they are sold by a pound price, but we actually get way more sage for the same price as you do at the store. Buying bulk is cheaper.

My daughter goes on trips once in a while and goes to Indian stores and buys some special spices. You need people to share the spices with though, there is a lot to a bag. It is really cheap when you do it that way, I had her pick me up a bag of bay leaves, they are way better than the ones in the store. I gave away half the bag to other people, I still have enough left for twenty years and we have been using them already for three years. I don't think that we will be buying a bag like that again, it was cheap, it cost five bucks. About what it really should cost. I have been looking for a local natural alternitive to bay leaves, but there aren't any trees around here with properties similar to that. We have a few laural trees around here, but they are the wrong kind, they have toxic qualities to them.

also, does cooking with the spices heighten or lessen their effects? when I cook with them, I always put them in the pan first to allow them to open up and enhance the flavor. but does this negate the benefits? I know that the diets of people that use fresh spices is healthier by far, but is that because of the cooking before ingesting or because of the actual contents of the meal?

originally posted by: rickymouse
So, is it basically Frankincense mixed with an extract of pepper?

I think boswellia had something to do with the age old medicine frankincense.

Yep!
www.healthline.com...

The boswellia is also called Indian Frankincense.

originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
i take a teaspoon of turmeric in the morning to help with my joint inflammation. would i still need the black pepper to more effectively absorb the turmeric?

From what I have read, the black pepper makes the curcumin work better....and it looks like you do NOT need a lot of it.
Please read:
www.naturalremediescures.com...

Piperine, extracted from pepper, is a bioavailability (absorption) enhancer that allows substances to remain in cells for longer periods of time.

....
In 1998 researchers at St. John’s Medical College, Bangalore, India combined piperine with curcumin to test the bioavailability (absorption) of curcumin in rats and healthy human volunteers.

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In the human volunteers, curcumin taken with 20 mg of piperine increased the bioavailability (absorption)of curcumin by 2000%

Good black pepper tastes good. It is a medicine, and it tastes good. To me Sage tastes really good and it is also Nootropic which means it helps to make you smarter. Funny our government hasn't made Sage illegal.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: rickymouse

Thanks

In addition to what you said, many seem to get positive results from using curcumin/turmeric. I used it with the black pepper extract for several months...and saw no relief from the inflammation I had in my thumbs.....arthritis.

I switched to boswellia/bioperine combination and get great results.
I also saw relief from the swelling/pain in my thumbs after I removed wheat/gluten from my diet.

IOW....YMMV.
As with prescription drugs, not all drugs/supplements work the same on different people.

There are compounds in Geletin that actually help arthritis. Glycine, proline, and argenine along with the glucosamine containing collagen. www.webmd.com... Just make sure it is one with sugar and not much if any aspartame. The aspartame is not good for arthritis, sugar in the jello acts as an adjuvant. You can use knox geletin and add some to juice if you don't want sugar. If I get a sore back or sore tendons, I always crave jello, it works pretty darn fast. I make soups with cartilaginous bones too. It has a settling effect.

so i have got my food scale out.. the black pepper i have been using is not even a gram.. 10 twist of pepper from the grinder was not much at all. but that is about all i can stand at one time.

i never realized jello was good for that kind of thing. i try to stay away from real or fake sweeteners no fake sweeteners at all all fo rme.... taste like plastic and its not good for you at all.

the whole fresh ground black pepper in hot water on a empty stomach is said to be extremely good for you.. day 2 of trying this. it will wake you up and give you energy and it will clear out your sinuses, putting the same amount of black pepper in my oatmeal does not seem to give me the energy boost like this does.

I came across a video of a Chiropractor that shows you how to make Golden Milk, a turmeric drink, and recommends it to all of her patients who have joint pain/inflammation. She shows you in the video how to make it. I make this an I actually thought it was gonna be gross, but it is actually a good drink. Kind of tastes like a spice drink...But I have taken it for my joint pain and have had good results. But I have been lazy about keeping it up...But I am going to start making this on a regular basis and make a habit of being consistent with it....Here is the link to the video...... www.youtube.com...

a reply to: dannylightning

Yes you need the pepper, also mix a little oil with the paste, olive oil or coconut oil is good, it helps your body absorb the turmeric.

Also pineapple and papaya are beneficial for helping your body produce an enzyme that help relieve inflammation.

a reply to: PolyCottonBlend

that's what I do ea h day as well. I am sure that helps me

a reply to: dannylightning

You only need a little black pepper. Better to melt it all together in oil makes it easeir to absorb and heat in through to fully activate it.