If we live in a simulation: who or what is our Creator?

a reply to: intrptr

Yep, that answer I will accept as the accepted framework. Accepted until you compare macro reality to quantum, then all bets are off.

Been around a long time (shared perception). Sometimes it feels like forever others the blink of an eye (personal perception)

Some 12 year old kid playing The Sims....

a reply to: Nothin

then use a nail, a knife, a razor blade if it is a simulation any one of them would work and you will feel no pain from them.

Reality is what we are in, no one has set up any simulation, that would mean all is out of your hands and in the hands of another eliminating all free will what soever.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Nothin

Wow, nice thread.

This still begs the question of who made (created) our creator's creator.

The creator.

We're in an endless loop of creation, I am he as you are he as you are me. And we are all together. Goo goo g'a joob.

originally posted by: dashen
The Great Programmer coded the universe in the time before analog.
and it was good.

ldx #80
stx $d020

and he made the sky blue !

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: Tulpa

If so: then we shall never know.

Has The Great Programmer In The Sky mad a gin and tonic constellation?

I sometimes go out at night, just to smell the stars.

a reply to: Spruce

Mine too.

"All this work, and that bastard is gonna be the end of us all.."

family name dies with me, that's a bit rough.. *raises glass*

a reply to: Noncompatible

The speed of time is an irrational constant. It is not fixed, except to the observer.

We experience time dependent on where we are. How fast is the train?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Nothin

Would any hacker be interested, in hacking into some random guys computer, and mess with his Sims game?

Thats not what would occur though. The hacker would steal the program to hack time and mess with it, just because he could.

Eventually like everything else, criminals would find a way, we would have noticed this. But it hasn't happened. Ergo, in the future nobody learns how to hack time. Follow?

The 'rules' don't allow it. Just like the rules here and now don't allow anyone to alter time, either.

Am trying to follow, but it feels like your premise leads down a road. As the idea develops, you cross bridges onto islands, and burn the bridges behind you, until you are finally stuck on a tiny island, with no way off.
Meaning: you assume things that bring-about certain conceptual limitations, then piggy-back from there using further assumptions, to finally end-up with a logical fallacy.
Painting oneself into a corner comes to mind.
Of course your concept is possible, but it is just one possibility, among an infinite ocean of possibilities.
If you believe that that is the only way that it could be, then you are entitled to your belief.

The idea that this presumed reality could be a simulation, suspends many of our previous assumptions about how reality as we perceive it may, or may not function.

The Multiverse Theory puts to bed any and all limitations of our imaginations.
There are no "hard wired" rules, that can't somehow be different than we perceive.
Everything is wide-open.

So even if we share this one simulation: we cannot say that the "rules" will not change at ant moment.
The true underlying rules would be beyond our comprehension.
Any sufficiently advanced technology appears as magic to the unknowing.
And we don't know. We just don't know.
This is why making assumptions, falsely lead us down a path of unreal limitations.

But this is not known either. My ideas are not truths, not even beliefs, only possibilities.
Just one possibility, among an infinite amount of possibilities, that we can, and can't even conceive of.

For every simulation that could or would be hacked, there could be others that were not hacked.
Maybe we're stuck in the one that Richard Branson hacked? Just kidding.

originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: Tulpa

If so: then we shall never know.

Has The Great Programmer In The Sky mad a gin and tonic constellation?

I sometimes go out at night, just to smell the stars.

And when you do: those stars shine for you.

originally posted by: gortex

a reply to: Nothin
There can be only one thing worse that realising your stuck in a simulation , that's realising you are an NPC in someone else's simulation.

He-he.
Since we don't know for sure, it's not really a realization, is it?
Perhaps just a perception?
Maybe awesomeness is still within your potential grasp?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Nothin

then use a nail, a knife, a razor blade if it is a simulation any one of them would work and you will feel no pain from them.

Reality is what we are in, no one has set up any simulation, that would mean all is out of your hands and in the hands of another eliminating all free will what soever.

What is this with your obsession for me to self-harm?
Change gears man.

Again: you seem to have made-up a lot of rules, and claim to know things for sure.
But you don't know these things for sure. Nobody does. Some of us assume them.
PHD Quantum Mechanics Physicists disagree with your rule-set.

Use your imagination, like when we were children without these limitations that we have forced on ourselves now.

originally posted by: badw0lf
a reply to: Noncompatible

The speed of time is an irrational constant. It is not fixed, except to the observer.

We experience time dependent on where we are. How fast is the train?

Thanks for posting that mind-bending, time-bending, illuminating vid.
Many folks will argue until they're blue in the face, that the speed of light is an absolute. But it clearly is not.

We assume so much, but we truly don't know much at all. We just don't know.

a reply to: Nothin

it is a test if it be a simulation or reality.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Nothin

it is a test if it be a simulation or reality.

Of course. You believe that pain eliminates any possibility of this being a simulation. That was clear since your first post.
Why do you think that feeling pain, means that this is not a simulation?
Why do you assume that this is an absolute rule?

Can you not conceive of a minuscule possibility, that an alien race, or humans thousands of years in the future, could create a simulation, in which the characters felt pain?

In the realm of endless possibilities: pain or no pain, would be only one small minor detail, expressed in unimaginable different ways, to infinite possibilities.

Here and now, in this reality that we appear to partially share: pain is a common occurrence.
We all have different pain thresholds, different perceptions of pain.
We think some creatures, and inanimate object are painless.
What does our perception of pain prove? Nothing!

If this life is a simulation I'd really enjoy five minutes in a locked room with the jerk who wrote the program.

originally posted by: AlienOutlaw
If this life is a simulation I'd really enjoy five minutes in a locked room with the jerk who wrote the program.

What would you do, if you discovered that you were the only one in the room?

a reply to: Nothin

Of course your concept is possible, but it is just one possibility, among an infinite ocean of possibilities.

You went all down around the corner into the parking lot with your reply. Time is one way forward at the pace of time.

Show me proof this isn't so.

Multiverse is still one Universe.

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: AlienOutlaw
If this life is a simulation I'd really enjoy five minutes in a locked room with the jerk who wrote the program.

What would you do, if you discovered that you were the only one in the room?

What would you do if you woke up in a Matrix Bathtub?

there is no simulation