The Universe is not a computer simulation

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: dfnj2015

"We might also discover the old Testament God is actually real."

The entity depicted in said book is not exactly synonymous with love and peace, more in line with mass genocide, filicide, that harbors a massive inferiority complex towards he/she/its creations really.

If that dudes real then Humanity better hurry up and build a better God.

But all religions teach that we were created with free will. If that's the case, then whoever developed our "matrix", wrote a program that was self aware and could function on its own. Once the Go button is pushed, the programmer steps aside and watches as the program develops all by itself. It wouldn't matter who or what the developer was. Maybe the Heisenberg principle proves this point because the act of measurement fixes something in space and time - the key being WE control what and how something is measured. So maybe we take the place of the original developer.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

That's a thoroughly amazing video. Do you know who produced it? It's really well written and produced.

I was also impressed with it. No I don't know who made it.

a reply to: Phantom423

Well, we were apparently created in Gods image.

As to taking the place of the original developer, i don't imagine such an entity would be biological in makeup, we are slaves to biology, hence if we ever wish to replace said developer we might need to evolve somewhat else we are simply not equiped for the task at hand.

a reply to: andy06shake


Why would there be a need or a desire to replace the original developer or creator?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Phantom423

Well, we were apparently created in Gods image.

As to taking the place of the original developer, i don't imagine such an entity would be biological in makeup, we are slaves to biology, hence if we ever wish to replace said developer we might need to evolve somewhat else we are simply not equiped for the task at hand.

What I meant was that once the program was launched by whatever entity developed it, the program would simply evolve by itself without interference from the original developer. This is similar to AI which can write its own code.

What or who the original developer is, is anyone's guess.

So let's consider what's going on in the world of AI right now. This article from Singularity Hub describes how Google is developing an AI which will be able to "self improve". I presume that once they get the code right, the AI could be launched on its own and "correct" itself as it learns how to adapt to its environment. Not too much different than organisms on this planet that have self correcting DNA in the form of mutations.

Google’s AI-Building AI Is a Step Toward Self-Improving AI
By Edd Gent - May 31, 20170

singularityhub.com...

Relevant concept to the basic premise of this thread (with a little playful mirth added for charm)

The Gospel Matrix

a reply to: dfnj2015

I think you took the "computer" part to literally, at least in a sense that we can understand.

DNA can "compute"

It has been said for a long time, that we are the creators of our Gods.

If we do live in a type of simulation: perhaps we have also created the creator?

This could be conceivable, in a few different ways. Here is one possibility:
Perhaps our reality is created by Humans, far in the future. Without exception, they will be the descendant children of somebody alive today. Therefore: we have created them.

Perhaps ancestry simulations could be sold like video games. So say a person loved and adored their grandmother, but they knew that she had a miserable life, and suffered very much. So the person buys an ancestry simulation, where all of the people are random NPC's, but their own ancestor's lives are modified, to be wonderful and peaceful.

Ever meet someone who lives a seemingly charmed life? They become very self-confident, because everything they do works-out great!
So maybe we're stuck in their simulation, and if we are miserable: our descendants hate us, or can't afford to buy an ancestry simulation.

Anyways: just fun stuff to contemplate.

originally posted by: Nothin
It has been said for a long time, that we are the creators of our Gods.

If we do live in a type of simulation: perhaps we have also created the creator?

This could be conceivable, in a few different ways. Here is one possibility:
Perhaps our reality is created by Humans, far in the future. Without exception, they will be the descendant children of somebody alive today. Therefore: we have created them.

Perhaps ancestry simulations could be sold like video games. So say a person loved and adored their grandmother, but they knew that she had a miserable life, and suffered very much. So the person buys an ancestry simulation, where all of the people are random NPC's, but their own ancestor's lives are modified, to be wonderful and peaceful.

Ever meet someone who lives a seemingly charmed life? They become very self-confident, because everything they do works-out great!
So maybe we're stuck in their simulation, and if we are miserable: our descendants hate us, or can't afford to buy an ancestry simulation.

Anyways: just fun stuff to contemplate.

We cannot move forward on myth.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Nothin
It has been said for a long time, that we are the creators of our Gods.

If we do live in a type of simulation: perhaps we have also created the creator?

This could be conceivable, in a few different ways. Here is one possibility:
Perhaps our reality is created by Humans, far in the future. Without exception, they will be the descendant children of somebody alive today. Therefore: we have created them.

Perhaps ancestry simulations could be sold like video games. So say a person loved and adored their grandmother, but they knew that she had a miserable life, and suffered very much. So the person buys an ancestry simulation, where all of the people are random NPC's, but their own ancestor's lives are modified, to be wonderful and peaceful.

Ever meet someone who lives a seemingly charmed life? They become very self-confident, because everything they do works-out great!
So maybe we're stuck in their simulation, and if we are miserable: our descendants hate us, or can't afford to buy an ancestry simulation.

Anyways: just fun stuff to contemplate.

We cannot move forward on myth.

What is so important about moving forward?
Going somewhere?

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Well we were allegedly created in Gods image, following that premise one has to imagine that at some point we would supplant supersede or replace the entity in question considering our implied potential.

a reply to: Phantom423

Possibly even God or the original developer, just like our Universe does not want to live forever or cannot live forever?

Entropy, after all, must apparently increase within a closed system(singularity that spawned our universe).

Who or what the original developer's intentions are if indeed such an entity exists in any kind of meaningful manner is probably so far beyond the scope of our comprehension or ability to understand that it makes any kind of explanation pointless.

As to artificial intelligence, and the self-correcting similarities to DNA mutations being similar, that makes perfect sense considering its very biological creators.

We certainly live in interesting times.

a reply to: andy06shake

Double post.

a reply to: andy06shake

Triple Post, dont know whats going on today with my PC. LoL

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Well we were allegedly created in Gods image, following that premise one has to imagine that at some point we would supplant supersede or replace the entity in question considering our implied potential.

Unless we were made to be in relationship and in partnership with God.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

It's a beautiful concept but if our symbiotic "relationship" with nature or lack of as the case may be these days is anything to go by, then something is bang out of whack regarding Humanity and the current paradigm we follow and have followed for some time now.

We could be a sim that is model used collect information about how various factors affect a universe or life forms. We could just be a test.

a reply to: roadgravel

Totaly, but any sim that is modeled to do anything is indeed subject a purpose.

Purpose suggests a predefined goal hence there is a form of predestination at play.

Any Universe that is simulated, if only even by another universe, has to contain a modicum of predestination.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

It's a beautiful concept but if our symbiotic "relationship" with nature or lack of as the case may be these days is anything to go by, then something is bang out of whack regarding Humanity and the current paradigm we follow and have followed for some time now.

I agree. The whole idea of the human being set apart, apart from nature and from God as Spirit of the Universe, Spirit of Truth and Life, and Love, in some sort of once-removed, particulate/thingness, framed by a materialist monist (matter alone is primary) paradigm, is just ruining everything.

What we need is to recover and to rediscover out true place in the grand scheme of things, perhaps like we might have once known during a long lost golden age of mankind.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Thing with Humans or at least those that covet power and knowledge aka the majority of the people of our world to one degree or another is that even if we were to discover our purpose or place in the grand scheme of things(which is doubtful given the infinite nature of the universe/reality we experience) we would simply desire more or find fault with said purpose as it's in our nature to do so.

Any purpose Humanity has in sore will be derived by our own means and decision just down to the way are or have become whether the universe likes it or otherwise short of direct intervention by some higher power or extinction level event.