Researchers find secret, warm oasis beneath Antarctica's ice.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Hey another subject, he was actually being dry humored, personally I never called it the mandella effect but let's just see what a fellow Brit MIGHT remember.

Tefal Dripless spout's on there kettles pre 1990's also used by Tetra Pack licensed from an English back garden inventor, just a shaped lip on the edge of the plastic spout that worked by acting on the surface tension of many water product's and of course on water to limit the formation of drip's as opposed to the swan necked Victorian tea pot which was there answer to the same problem.

The Sky WAS blue and photo's do not prove anything BECAUSE passages from the bible have also changed - I for one can not prove that but I know what I read in the 1980's a LOT of time's and what was suddenly missing in the 1990's certainly AFTER 1993 when I first noticed it, Seven Threescore and Seven Man for one, remember that Eugene Terrablanche bit of a self convinced scum bag right wing fascist south African leader of there Neo Nazi's whom opposed the abolishion of apartheid and also wanted there own boar state, remember the interview he gave to panorama in the late 80's in which he described the white man as Seven Seven Seven (note there three armed Nazi type swastika based flag) and claimed that the black race were Six Six Six, he was not only twisting the truth but actually enraged me because he was blaspheming, it was actually Seven Three Score and Seven which translated as 767 and that was THE number of man whom was opposed to the Beast which was an SINGULAR not a race a Singular man whom had the number 666, of course if we ARE from different version of the past then you would not remember it but many of us probably do, if not my fact's they have other's and NO it is not just faulty memory.

There are so very many other point's of alteration I even tried to rationalize a mechanism that could account for it and came up with when black holes form somewhere in the Cosmos they may act to unify those reality's in which they exist and this unification takes place at the instant of there formation at the event horizon, it then ripples out at quantum speed (which is much faster than light) and zip's these reality's back together in a kind of opposite and Balancing effect to the many world's theory and prevent's these many world's theory reality's from becoming so tenuous as to be unstable by recombining the energy to these reality's back together into combination reality's, of course my explanation for a personal observation of a personal understanding of the change or reality could be smoke in the wind, it is still the only thing I could rationalize with my limited understanding of higher level physic's and quantum theory.

But BACK to the subject, still there are enough so called Mandela effect thread's that it has to be recognized as something a hell of a lot of people believe.

And like I say it was obvious his comment was dry humor unlike my own.

a reply to: LABTECH767


Learn to READ Lab where did I say there would be NO caves please point that out

The video from the OP is about research CLEARLY stated in the video of tunnels and caves formed in the ICE.

Any one the thnks the NAZIS are there is a fantasist
and the amount of miss quoting of Admiral Byrd is laughable.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: sapien82

Very much doubt he could do that

I'd just point out that just because you believe he couldnt do it or doubt it could happen doesnt make it true.

a logical fallacy learned from non other than hearte - personal incredulity

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: sapien82

Very much doubt he could do that

I'd just point out that just because you believe he couldnt do it or doubt it could happen doesnt make it true.

a logical fallacy learned from non other than hearte - personal incredulity

The "journal" in question here has no connection to Byrd. Therefore there's no reason to believe what it says.

Furthermore, there is abundant evidence that shows that the "journal" is fabricated.

Harte

a reply to: sapien82

No landmass at North Pole water underneath the ice case closed

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: sapien82

Very much doubt he could do that

I'd just point out that just because you believe he couldnt do it or doubt it could happen doesnt make it true.

a logical fallacy learned from non other than hearte - personal incredulity

The "journal" in question here has no connection to Byrd. Therefore there's no reason to believe what it says.

Furthermore, there is abundant evidence that shows that the "journal" is fabricated.

Harte

Coupled with the fact that the place written about doesn't actually exist.

Yeh the only connection and a really weak connection is that it bears his name !

If you look at the dates as others have said that he couldnt have flown the north pole in February or March of 1947 as operation Highjump had him placed in the Antarctic regions as early as December 1946 , or could he!
As operation Highjump had ended Late February 1947 so Im still unsure about the dates

I still find the mystery around the diary and Highjump really intriguing Byrd was some man , amassed many military awards
one of only 4 men in US history to wear a medal bearing his own image.
The guy was decorated enough anyway , I'd be inclined to believe anything he said as credible given his status as a man of honour and exploration /science

What I find interesting is that it was John D Rockefeller that financed operation Highjump among others, but he is cited as a patron to that expedition.
Oddly enough in one of the surveys there is a section on naming of south polar features, No names of patrons can be used where they seek to gain some commercial advantage except where they are patron of machinery being tested for polar conditions. Rockefeller mountains named after John D Rockefeller. en.wikipedia.org...
So what was Rockefellers interest in this expedition of not for commercial gain as he was an Oil industry man ? was it just the act of a patriot ?
How can he be a patriot if he also financed foreign interests ?


Maybe the journal is real but the locations are reversed in order to provide disinformation to the public.

It's still an interesting story , the whole thing whether the north pole entrance is true or not its still nice to let the mind wander!

If you are interested , there are some letters / correspondence on the CIA FOIA pages they released 12 million documents, there are some Richard E Byrd letters about the antarctic expeditions , and also the enquiry into soviet actions in the south polar region . Quite interesting

there are also some documents on highjump , and other expeditions , quite interesting , I found out that a small whaling fleet from Dundee in Scotland done some exploring there too in the early 1900's


here are some links

national geographic
All out assualt on antarctica

National Intelligence Survey
survey

this link as well about Arthur C Lundhall a photogrammetry expert in operation cross roads , highjump and including spectacular problems with V2 missles
lundhall

I cant remember where I'd read it but there was something about the US government recalling the issue of national geographic with regards to the antarctic coverage of highjump and other surveys
I'll dig around and see if I can find it again . There is certainly alot of things going on down there and for a long time too

a reply to: Hanslune

Really there are enough written documents about the existence of agartha, shambala by many ancient cultures so plenty of evidence , just no real concrete proof .

The place certainly exists , just maybe not in the physical 3d dimension the same as aliens may not physically exist but a whole universe of aliens has been created in the minds of men .

a reply to: wmd_2008

as Id said , what if it was just disinformation , what if Byrd intentionally gave the wrong location as the north pole instead of south so that no one would find it.

of course speculation.

Im just willing to entertain mad ideas because they are fun and a distraction from all the misery in the world

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: LABTECH767


Learn to READ Lab where did I say there would be NO caves please point that out

The video from the OP is about research CLEARLY stated in the video of tunnels and caves formed in the ICE.

Any one the thnks the NAZIS are there is a fantasist
and the amount of miss quoting of Admiral Byrd is laughable.

As for fantasist it is actually ignorant self righteous people that both enrage me and make me sick, small minded self aggrandizing fool's that add no content, no information and absolutely no opinion worthy of note to a thread but act more like an internet troll trying to be clever when in fact they patently lack the cleverness to actually be so or else are simply mentally lazy and can't be arsed to put information or to uphold there opinion in a manner with explanation and thought.

Read well or at least TRY too, I never said NAZI's ARE There what was said is that they WERE there and may have had a base there, in fact they almost certainly did even if it was nothing more than a submarine refueling depot on one of the island's, how large it was is another matter therefore.

You may also note that when I answer I do so in full, even if some of the information I share is not to your personal taste.

Let me explain something to you pal, when the NAZI murdered they did so because people were too frightened to speak there mind's, you won't find that in most of us today so stop trying to bully with clever little jibes that are simply not clever and instead enlighten us to what suddenly appears to be a small - small minded view of the world and if you don't like our opinion's then what the hell is that to you son are you so very bored with life you have to disagree when there is no point even when you have nothing of context to add.

Also you did not disagree you insulted - fantasist I take it you were responding to my reply to someone else there as well and trying to use it to prove your point when in fact you are actually wrong on that and I can not explain to you from a different perspective, let's just say your view is too low to see the overall scene so that too was a dirty trick on your part and yes you never said so it was implicit.

Let's look at your phrasing and interpret it shall we.

You have still provided no information to back up your slander.

You call something Bravo Sierra when you have no idea what the hell you are talking about - Literally.

You stoop to personal attack's if veiled calling people Fantasist when in fact you once again have no idea what the hell you are talking about and likely I would not share many of your own beliefs and most likely not your political persuasion either.

You are trying to lead it off thread and instead of nicely and clearly addressing the THREAD AUTHOR's opinion you are mocking by instead nit picking about the tunnel's the site he is using as an example of for his thread and yes those are indeed natural formation's and highly unlikely as well as likely highly unsuitable for an installation - but old one's now dormant would be extremely suitable if they could indeed be found even for modern facility's.

SO I put it to you that You are the very individual that clearly need's to read a little better and also more importantly to learn to interpret what you read because it is patently obvious that you can OR choose to do neither, that or you are simply ignorant and speed read half a paragraph before phrasing your useless and pitiful reply.

Where something is an opinion you may note that I for one pointed out it was an opinion, were it is a belief you may also note that I pointed out it is a belief and as for fact's - well they are as plain as day are they not AND in fact why do you think Byrd was chosen to lead Operation High Jump?,. You do know the NAZI's actually asked him for his expertise before there own 1938 mission.

So if anyone knew were they would have had an interest he - Byrd whom may have been silenced rather than simply passing away in 1957 but that IS a CONSPIRACY theory in it's own right and should have a thread in it's own right, indeed his son later met a strange and mysterious end but would not be the first rich guy to die in the gutter or be murdered there - his son whom had also accompanied him on that expedition to Antarctica and was also a Naval officer and Harvard Graduate was later found dead with only one shoe, dressed in dirty clothing in an empty warehouse - he was 68 years old BUT maybe someone wanted to know what he knew or to silence him in case he blabbed after questioning him hence the story of him having alcohol probably to cover any drug's they may have used on him - you know keep him drunk for a day or too until they had passed his system and to raise blood alcohol? but I digress Byrd was the most likely person in the world other than the NAZI's themselves to have an idea were and if they had built something there.

My opinion is.
They had a base or facility in Antarctic, it was probably abandoned sometime toward the end of the war OR shortly thereafter given the inhospitable nature of the continent but it is not impossible that a hard core of dedicated NAZI's may have continued for some time after if secret Nazi weapon project's had been taken there along with - you guessed it some of that missing Reich and Stolen Gold and art work via there large cargo submarines' - you do know the Nazi's had specialist large cargo sub's don't you.

Likely after the war any that were allowed to live - probably not all - would have filtered back into the rest of the world mostly via Argentine and Chile both noted NAZI safe haven's with large ethnic German settlement's - usually ran by perverts.

AND any facility built there would have probably used slave labor which the NAZI's would definitely have regarded as disposable work force, any surface ship's that may have reached that far south and there would have been no need for them to use such most likely would have flown Chilean or Argentinian flag's and had a submerged escort to prevent allied sea searches by the US and British Navy's but since most conflict was based around the northern Atlantic they would have been very unlikely to have been bothered other than a few hunting allied destroyers looking for stray German asset's though in fact I doubt they used Surface vessels after the initial installation was completed likely as early as 1939 or 1940.

Now were it become's fantasist is when it is suddenly linked to the Sitchin alien's the Annunaki of whatever they are called or alien bases (though it would be a likely destination for one if there ever was one, low temperature, relative sterility of the environment etc) but it is not actually fantasist either but rather it is a differing belief to your own and to my own and those that choose to believe it also do not deserve to be insulted by your inane comment's.

Now a cheesy web page, still good read
www.ancient-code.com...
www.beyondweird.com...

Now also note this, you have brought nothing to the table except your opinionated statement, so where is your proof.
WE can not provide proof but what we can provide is report's of genuine expedition's and rumors of NAZI bases which while not proof leave the ball firmly in our court.

a reply to: wmd_2008


I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you HAVE to keep SHOUTING in capitals?

You do give me headaches sometimes.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Shouting just because internet nerds decided to call that shouting doesn't mean it is, it's to emphasise words that don't seem to be getting through.

a reply to: wmd_2008


But it is still shouting, though, isn't it?

Anyway. I have found nothing to suggest that Admiral Byrd's diary is legit, and plenty that suggests it is not.

So, Nazis on the Moon, anyone? I'm sure I saw a documentary about it - Iron Sky, I think it was called....

a reply to: oldcarpy

there is more evidence of nazi presence in the antarctic than the moon so its the best place to search if you do want to find hidden nazi sub bases!

I have an Idea , we set a wager with those flat earthers and we take up an expedition to the Antarctic and kill two byrds with one stone shall we, or more appropriately my own version aww the birds wae aww the stones , I know its daft

Hidden nazi sub base , alien base , agartha inner earth, flat earth Ice wall . We get some backers , # it lets ask rockefeller for a tap while we are at it and go there with the ATS recon team comprised of the best of ATS and the worst and everything in between , live stream the full thing and maybe just maybe we can end some of these daft ideas and theories and bring the truth to light and maybe us humans can get on with life

a reply to: LABTECH767



Lets see I am fairly content with my life I don't need fantasies to make my life interesting , as for being clever Lab you are probably no more clever than me, all my education is science mainly physyics based, most of my working life construction based in a technical role dealing with architects & engineers. As for research I would rather watch a documentary and read technical/science publications had an interest in science and astronomy since a young boy and photography for almost 40 years.

As for Admiral Byrd here is what he actually had to say about the North & South Poles



So as you can see and hear NOT what is claimed by conspiracy sites and most people on here.

a reply to: wmd_2008

I have a broad spectrum education in science, everything from biology to geology but chose electronic's (Theoretical and design), just could not stand biology for some reason but after a mishap - actually I was jumped by six thug's in an unprovoked attack and left with memory loss, slurred speech and a few other problems such as walking into thing's for several years after I ended up dropping from my degree and never took it back up though I did intend to once I recovered because prior to this the degree was easy as sleep walking but following the attack simple fourier equation's used for waveform analysis as you know had suddenly become impossible to me, in fact looking at a sheet of once simple equation's was like looking at gibberish and also I could not sleep for month's after the attack, got about half an hour two week's after it and could not concentrate.

I was still ill when I took a job I was overqualified for and ended up going to Japan, Holland and a few other places for them, it was actually a British subsidiary of Japanese engineering and tool making and plastic injection molding company I was working for kind of amused me that I knew more about there technology at the time than most of them including there so called expert's did and I actually encountered some foolish practice by them such as a guy pouring liquid benzine into a hot molding tool with no form of protection or breathing apparatus while he was literally on top of the hot tool to clear out some plastic blockage in the pipe's, I was shocked at this and told them that it was actually extremely dangerous as Benzine (I am sure you know aromatic ring's - ring molecule's) is a known carcinogen, the guy whom was doing this actually died a few years later with his body riddled with cancer.

But working in that kind of environment was the only way I could get myself well after the head trauma, it took literally years to recover, you know the funny thing is I remember the attack perfectly even though I was platique drunk at the time, I was walking home, a normal 19 year old guy when I heard this sound, Now I am 6'2" and was athletic back then and these guy's must have been only about 5'9" at most but there was six of them, even though I was not exactly stable on my feet I took the first one with a right hook as he ran at me (lucky for him he was in the air when I lashed out in self defense or I may have actually hurt the guy) and knocked him on his backside but I was in no condition to protect myself against this totally unprovoked attack and am by nature actually somewhat of a pacifist with a low aggression factor if any at all, just not part of my nature.

I actually think they only attacked me for fun or maybe thought I may have money or something and my injury's would have been far worse had not some passers - good total strangers - by come to my aid and one helped me back home after I refused (foolishly) an ambulance - I was not rational probably due to the trauma and not thinking normally, it was only after over a week of no sleep, feeling still drunk and vomiting a lot every time I tried to eat something that I finally went to a hospital.

The odd thing was I had one of my attackers in each hand, one in a headlock and the other by his throat while the other four had encircled me but I was more concerned about NOT hurting them than protecting myself, in hindsight I think I was actually in shock at being attacked and could not rationalize it.

Anyway enough of that.

I am aware that his so called Log Book is almost definitely a fake, in fact it is definitely a fake but there are some thing's that can not be poo pooed away, sending a fully armed heavy battle fleet complete with an air craft carrier.

There are claim's about what he said that I have yet to see a reliable source on such as his fear of an enemy that could fly from pole to pole but I do not buy the alien base or the inner earth theory's at all, like I say however I DO buy into the Nazi base theory and even the potential that one remained operational after the official end of WW2, my reason is that the SS in particular were fanatic's and they had many scientists including captive one's working on there project's and there was the whole plan by the NAZI's werewolf which was supposed to be a German resistance under occupation by elite SS but for some reason it did not happen, maybe because they knew they had lost OR maybe because they were ordered to stand down.

Under operation paperclip the cream of the NAZI scientist's and several other criminal's including potentially but never proven one Han's Kammler of the SS were given immunity and new lives, perhaps in some cases new identity's by the US and the most famous of these was one Verner VonBraun whom you may remember was fully aware of the slave labor work force used by him and his NAZI masters, in fact there are or rather were claim's he was far more involved than any one claim's today but it is amazing just how well and thoroughly the US whitewashed they guy's character even to making him into a household name and national hero in the US.

One of the other thing's that happened under paperclip and related US project's was the RE-ACTIVATION of the Nazi intelligence services including many former SS and Gestapo officers whom then worked for the US intelligence (and some claim eventually weaseled themselves into position's of incredible power in the US), this was also about the time Werewolf completely stopped it's activity's which had admittedly been small up to that point and only really accounted for a few murders, it also coincided with the US sudden interest in Antarctica, you know one faction not wanting another to rock the boat having secured a future for itself?.

So I think there is ample room for the possibility of there having actually been a base in Antarctica, oh not a flaming Nazi UFO base (though I do have theory's about that which are not pertinent to this thread).

So We shall I supposed have to disagree on some point's, I have seen that video already by the way and like I say never really bought into the whole inner earth nonsense, DUMB's and perhaps even ancient underground facility's/structure as well as huge cavern's that may never have seen life maybe but those are in the upper portions of the crust were we would not cook, were we can mine and were we can build but even they are a matter of debate and imagination without concrete empirical evidence to back them up.

IF you are content then good on you, I will never be content so fall more into the normal human condition.

Anyway let's put a top hat on this for now, it's very late here for me anyway and I think it is time to remove the match stick's form my eyelid's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It's funny I was reading about philip K dick in a chapter in the book "Aliens: and why they are here" by Bryan Appleyard

Dick was very outspoken on corporations , paranoid to the limits of paranoia , and he often commented on their power
he also wrote "the man in high castle"

Now in this reality we did defeat the Nazi's but it seems like many of the scientists and their ideas and ideology have seeped into the western world even though the 3rd reich was defeated.

Corporatocracy is alive and well in the west and pretty much the world over.

Now this is even weirder , what if the Nazi's were playing the long game , what if they didnt lose, what if the whole 2nd world war was all just one big long game ruse!

The nazis did develop all these advanced exotic weapons the least exotic the atom bomb , the west allies and the nazi's all agreed that the west would emerge as victorious they then all agreed that the best way to control the world was through corporate power. The west agreed to their public victory but the masters remained behind the scenes with their exotic weaponry and ships. They then assumed new identities and were filtered into the west to positions of power where their ideas could continue and mold the future of the new world order.
With the supposed enemy defeated no one would question that it still existed in the west
It was all just a big lie so that they could enslave the human race through corporate power

the west and the soviet and the nazis were all pawns of the corporate powers to bring about the mass enslavement of humans through materialism and devotion to corporate power.

all just mad speculation or is it ?

a reply to: sapien82
What if...my uncle was a woman?

Whoa, that would mean my uncle was actually my aunt. Mind blown.

a reply to: Phage

interesting thought but its completely irrelevant to the discussion in so much that is has nothing to do with Antarctica , or Nazis and their secret bases and plans , unless of course your aunt or uncle were nazi's or part of a nazi transgender experiment ?


Just to add phage , your last two replies to me dont register as normal phage posts in that they are not your normal reasoned response , did you sleep late last night ?

Thanks

a reply to: sapien82

There were NAZI power players that were certainly spared and under the Marshal plan lend lease money through which the British actually ended up paying for a hell of a lot the second world war and by which America had an even bigger boom in the 50's and 60's than they otherwise would have had because of all that money going into there hand's, well under the marshal plan that money was taken to Germany to build it back up and to Japan to build them back up, ostensibly so that those country's which had been former enemy's would now become allies against global communism.

This almost bankrupted the UK which was already shattered after the war and sped up the dissolution of the British empire, America became the undisputed most powerful nation on earth rivaled only by Russia.

Company's like Bayer, Grundig, Phillips, VW, BMW, Mercedes and many many more former Nazi controlled and linked company's became world leaders again, much of the population control which some here say no name's will deny happened were dispensed by German Pharmacorp's such as Bayer.

One of the most distasteful (and frankly to me enraging) facts of the war is that despite the unethical obtaining of it data compiled by the likes' of Mengele from experimenting on healthy twin's in the concentration camp's also helped to boost there profit's and is used in medical science today.

The Nazi's did lose the war but many Nazi criminal's (not former but actual heinous murdering scum bag's) were let off scot free and later became rulers in the corporate world AND the corporate world DOES own and control the government's of capitalist nation's one way or another by bribing, funding and lobbying them with most politician's actually being puppets paid for and owned by corporate sponsors and so through that these criminals in many cases DID end up more or less in control of a hell of a lot more than they should ever have been allowed to be, in fact in many cased more powerful then they would have been under the NAZI state itself.

There was no deal with the western powers though but it is the result of the misguided approach of the marshal plan, many here are proponent's of the marshal plan and would claim it succeeded, it arguably did but at extreme cost to our own economy's, eventually it bit into the US economy and there job's moved abroad as an out of control continuation of the economic model founded during the Marshal initiative to rebuild former enemy's into new AND NEWLY ECONOMICALLY POWERFUL allies.

In fact the west German's were actually far better off after the 1950's than at any other time in there history and so too were the Japanese.

War criminals in Japan were mostly not prosecuted because Japan had not been a signatory to the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war among other article's though they did commit some extremely horrendous crime's not only against captive soldiers but also against civilians and especially there Chinese cousin's whom they used as human guinea pig's in medical and weapon's experiment's every bit as bad as the NAZI's were committing in Europe as well as planning to exterminate the bulk of the Chinese population.

The rape of Nanking was another crime, the Chinese soldiers whom had surrendered in good faith were executed and the woman of the city were systematically raped by the soldiers of the Japanese imperial army whom had been ordered to impregnate them with Japanese seed, everything from children to grandmothers' suffered this abuse.

One of Japan's thankfully failed experiment's on Chinese the civilian's had involved a flea bomb, this was basically a barrel full of flea's designed to explode over and disperse millions of live fleas into an area, these fleas were deliberately infected with yellow fever.

So after the war former war criminals' and scientists, some with deliberate protection of the US and others because they could not be prosecuted since there nation had not signed an international agreement were able to gain position's of power and wealth in the corporate world, even to control politician's not only of there own nation's but other's through there corporate contact's and most often they had been kick started by large donation's of money from the US, money which Britain had to pay for the Lend Lease which was a policy by the states had a lend now and pay us later (With large interest of course) policy on food, weapon's and vehicles including ship's - liberty ship's without which Britain would have been over run by the NAZI's in short order and this was only possible because of an anglophile american president, his predecessor would have been more likely to support the NAZI's.

So though the Lend lease has always left a twig in British throat's it was actually necessary, just many of us disagree with the way the US then spent the money they got from us on building up our enemy's like Germany while our own factory's and town's still lay in ruin's and we remained on rationing of food until 1954, in fact even then we also were sending what food we could to Europe to aid them as most of there nations were in even worse condition and all the while the US was actually restoring Germany and Japan.