Irreducible complexity and Evolution

Most amusing thread i've seen in a long time

a reply to: Noinden

Oh I see what your problem is... You are mad at God because he frowns upon your alone time...
I knew you loved yourself but I had no idea till you said that little bit...
Anyway you play on the merry go round with your gods keep telling yourself science has all the answers accept the answer to everything...
Without God the creator the equation never works...
It's easy...you try...
0+0=?
Whenever you get sick of that try...
1+0=?
You tell me what makes more sense?
There always has to be something before the nothing
That never needed anything to be...
You know it's true...
you just don't want to have to believe it...

a reply to: cooperton

The objective of the project was to repeat the experiment performed by Miller on the same sample. Without the original sample, there's no way to do that. Initially, you said the samples were available. If you let me know where the samples are, perhaps I can convince them to turn over part of the sample to repeat the original work.

The question is about the concentration of the C14 isotope in that particular sample. It originally came from a museum which would have the history of the sample. The museum may have more samples from the same archaeological dig. I haven't looked into that aspect yet.

As for your samples, analyzing them wouldn't give us any information about Miller's project. If the point was to determine the concentration of C14 in dinosaur bones, you would need at least a dozen samples from random sources for comparison. In addition, scientists who are in this field would have to be involved as I am not an archaeologist. Actually, Miller should have done that as part of his research. A few samples is hardly enough to make a broad statement about the C14 content in dinosaur bones and what the implications could be. If his conclusion was correct, we would expect to see the same or similar results in many dinosaur bones.

I'm going to attempt to contact Miller. I presume the samples were returned either to him or to whomever delivered the samples to the Georgia lab. I may be able to obtain some information from the GA lab as well. And as I mentioned, if you give me the name and phone number of the person(s) you have been speaking to, I will contact them too.

Right now without authentic samples from the original test, we don't have anything to work with.

a reply to: Barcs

I agree. As I said in my last post to Coop, without the original sample, we have nothing to work with. If Miller's conclusion is correct, then we would expect to see many dinosaur bones with the same concentration of C14 isotope. There's no shortage of dinosaur bones around for further experimentation. But Miller's experiment needs to be repeated first. Miller should have done this himself. It would not have been that difficult.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Barcs

We all know you are the one who dreams of pipe pal...
Any priest that rapes a child is no priest in my eyes that child's eyes and surely not in God's eyes... I bet a lot of evolutionists are pedophiles most likely 100 times more even...
Christianity isn't fake because retards believe they came from the primordial soup and are related to fish monkeys and the like...
Even though irrreducable complexity says it's impossible...
Talk about a pipe dream...
Time to wake up...

Wow you completely missed the point. That paragraph about Christianity was obviously exaggerated to demonstrate how ridiculous your statement was that I quoted. You type 2 pages of rhetoric attacking evolution based on ignorance and then claim you aren't attacking evolution. Knowledge is power, stop spewing ignorance.

I just can't buy evolution to me it's just not logical that we Humans are the only living creatures on this planet that evolved to Speak, create art , Invent , think , and have the ability to destroy our own planet Etc.. We do not belong on this planet we had to come from somewhere else .

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
I just can't buy evolution to me it's just not logical that we Humans are the only living creatures on this planet that evolved to Speak, create art , Invent , think , and have the ability to destroy our own planet Etc.. We do not belong on this planet we had to come from somewhere else .

Look at the genetic similarity to other lifeforms. Especially primates.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Back to the ad hominem, that is a sign of a weak argument neighbour.

I'm not mad at your little deity. He has never been on my radar.

Your logic is weak if you need God to solve mathematics Or understand how the Universe is weak.

You don't get it do you. I'm a deeply religious individual. Just not monotheistic. I believe in many Gods, including your little deity. I just don't have the fragile ego you seem to have. I have room for all deities existing AND evolution being what has happened.

So who created your god? If you follow Irreducible complexity as an answer, you need to be able to honestly answer that. Try not to resort to logical fallacies.

a reply to: Gargoyle91

You not buying evolution, does not invalidate it. You need to break your problems with it further to begin an argument. Otherwise you just admitted "I don't understand evolution" not "I don't buy evolution".

a reply to: Noinden

Not here to make an argument just my thoughts right or wrong however if we evolved from primates why are there still primates that we evolved from ? Or did we just get lucky and are the only ones out of the countless primates just not very logical IMO .

a reply to: Gargoyle91

Ok I did not think you were trying to make an argument.

(a) There are still primates, because when things evolve, that does not mean EVERY member of the species becomes the new species. Therefore you will still have apes, monkies, etc as well as the other Homnids that include us.

(b) Over the millions of years we are the only (apparently) species which evolved this level of reasoning. Though this could be us (Humans) being too proud of ourselves. There may be other animals out there, which do these things.

I understand that evolution might not make sense too you. But it does make sense.

a reply to: Gargoyle91

Don't believe that either instead of asking why there are other apes ask yourself why are there no more Neanderthal and others much closer to man... Then research things like the ozone layer and its depletetion ....the effects of different types of radiation on genetics....the ability of species to mate and generate hybrids... Of course the previous mentioned things such as radiation can morph structure and cause changes or mutations but these are normally degenerative... But this would also not change the type either...Then look at mans dna and ask why alot of human dna has Neanderthal code in it... Any and all evolotion is bound to types and contained within its code as a boundry... back to irrudcable complexity...
Evolution as it's trying to be sold is an outright fallacy just look into all the proven scandalous intentional claims made in attempt to sell it...

After that if you wish research ancient apes and ask yourself why they are no longer around...
Then think about natural catastrophe as well as nature's rules such as for survival of the fittest...
I believe you have every right not to be sold on evolution....

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Prove your claims or recant. Evolution and it's evidence has been posted repeatedly in this thread, and this forum. Your turn. Make it good

a reply to: Noinden

I won't be taking back anything I've said... not anything at all...thanks...
Evolution is a lie the way it's been sold throughout history... It's only a matter of time till current beliefs are either proven wrong or a whole new lie has to be told to hang on for dear life...
What I have said is good... It unlike evolution has already been proven... It's the lies mixed in that will never fit...
The set of forces known as Quantum fluctuations or the "laws of nature" quantum physics and relativity in the nothing that existed before the universe and which exist now which would need to be the presets to create the universe is scientific proof of God... These set of laws have the following characteristics... Not Physical but can act on the physical can create the physical from nothing and predates the universe and is exempt from its boundries and limitations...
That's the very definition of God in the Bible and because we are here discussing this on ats its proof positive...
And that's all truth it doesn't get any more good than that...

a reply to: Noinden

Oh yeah I also want to say you are a liar...
Claiming you believe in many gods including my "little" God...
If you "believed" in my God you would have to believe he is the creator because that's who my God is...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Yet more personal attacks. About right for creationists

You do not understand science. You do not understand logic and this post shows you do not understand polytheism!

I believe you Semitic tribal deity is a deity. I don't worship it. Nor do I believe the over inflated claims of fragile ego followers of its supremacy.

Back on topic.

I am still waiting on that evidence. Not your over edited bible.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I really think you need to read this. Its frm Saint Augustine discussing how Chritians can destroy the word of god by denying what is known to be true.

www.pibburns.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

Heh.. For that be relevant I'd first have to be going against the truth...
And I'm not a Chritian at any rate... Is that similar to a Christian? I have no idea....

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: dragonridr

Heh.. For that be relevant I'd first have to be going against the truth...
And I'm not a Chritian at any rate... Is that similar to a Christian? I have no idea....

Well i tried good luck.

originally posted by: Xenogears

Look at the genetic similarity to other lifeforms. Especially primates.

Look at the programming similarities between a macbook and a macbook air... Did a macbook evolve from the latter just because they are similar? It would be intuitive that anatomically similar organisms would have a similar genetic coding. Just like you would expect a macbook and a macbook air to have more similar coding than a garage door opener.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: Barcs
If Miller's conclusion is correct, then we would expect to see many dinosaur bones with the same concentration of C14 isotope.

If you could get the original sample that would be great. But yeah if his hypothesis and results are true, then we would be able to observe it in any dinosaur sample. Also, we must agree to only tell the lab that the samples are either 4,000-40,000 years old, or millions of years old. This will prevent any bias.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: 5StarOracle

I really think you need to read this. Its frm Saint Augustine discussing how Chritians can destroy the word of god by denying what is known to be true.

Just like scientists can destroy their practice by dictating that theories be considered true! The truth will speak for itself. That's why I'm excited for more C-14 testing on dinosaur remains.