Virgin Islands Allows National Guard To Seize Guns, Ammo Ahead Of Hurricane Irma

a reply to: loam

The thing I find most troubling about this is the simple fact that according to the daily caller they are only supposed to receive 4-8 inches of rain and 60 mile an hour winds.
How can they justify this?

Irma strengthened to a Category 5 storm Tuesday, with wind gusts hitting 175 miles an hour. Irma’s eye is expected to pass just north of the heart of the U.S. Virgin Islands on Wednesday and bring four to eight inches or rain and 60-mile-per-hour wind gusts.

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a reply to: loam

Yep.
Its like they wake up and say...
" humm? what catastrophes or disasters can we use to disarm the people today"?
"Yep We'll take away there right's little by little"
"As if they ever had any Muhahaha"

Mean While the lil fat man/child kim. dose whatever the hell he wants.

Next they will say.....
"well we have to disarm the intire USA because north Korea is scared we dont take them seriously"

originally posted by: Diisenchanted
a reply to: loam

The thing I find most troubling about this is the simple fact that according to the daily caller they are only supposed to receive 4-8 inches of rain and 60 mile an hour winds.
How can they justify this?

Irma strengthened to a Category 5 storm Tuesday, with wind gusts hitting 175 miles an hour. Irma’s eye is expected to pass just north of the heart of the U.S. Virgin Islands on Wednesday and bring four to eight inches or rain and 60-mile-per-hour wind gusts.

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The thing I find most troubling is that the Daily Caller is, near as I can tell, the ones that "broke" this story. And they don't have the most stellar record for truthiness, yet here comes ATS getting all worked up in a tizzy already.

originally posted by: Tempter
This is clearly unconstitutional,

SCOTUS ruled long, long ago in the so-called "Insular cases" series of decisions that people in US territories may not enjoy all of the protections and rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. This isn't Unconstitutional because the US Virgin Islands aren't under the full protection of the Constitution...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Tempter
This is clearly unconstitutional,

SCOTUS ruled long, long ago in the so-called "Insular cases" series of decisions that people in US territories may not enjoy all of the protections and rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. This isn't Unconstitutional because the US Virgin Islands aren't under the full protection of the Constitution...

The NRA seems to disagree and they have a lot of lawyers.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Perhaps that's why the National Guard in the USVI is looking to boost their firepower? Hurricane Irma, as in "Irma gonna come over there and make the British Virgin Isles American once and fer all."

Well, they did invent the Painkiller there so I say invade and make it ours.

I'm watching the press conference the governor gave earlier and he's already talked about law enforcement and the National Guard, and talked about signing the declaration of emergency. So far he hasn't said anything, at all, about guns.

ETA - he's talked about ferry service and trash pick up service so I feel like if he's gonna try and take people's guns, he might have mentioned that somewhere around the "make sure you have your trash out before 8 pm tonight."

a reply to: loam

Haven't you watched Sharknado? How you gonna combat sharks flying in a hurricane without firearms?

a reply to: Tempter

The NRA can and should win the argument of whether gun grabs are Unconstitutional... they won't win the argument of whether US territories are subject to full Constitutional protections, however. If Guantanimo Bay didn't change SCOTUS precedent, then this certainly won't.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: loam

The government decides which goods from whom need protection.
Or it's fear of a coupe?
Depopulation?

I did some research on it.

If this is a genuine, true copy, of the order that the governor signed, then the Title 23 Section 1522 is as follows:

§ 1522. Authority of Governor for the attachment of articles and to order the closing of establishments Whenever the Governor orders part or all of the military forces of the Virgin Islands into Territorial Active Military Service under section 1519 he may, by written order-- (1) Direct the Adjutant General or other appropriate authority to seize arms, ammunition, explosives, incendiary material, and any other property that may be required by the military forces. (2) Prohibit the sale, exchange, loan or donation, during the emergency of arms, ammunition, explosives, gasoline, incendiary material or alcoholic beverages, and the closing of any establishment in which any such property is found. (3) Declare a curfew, during such periods and with respect to such areas and persons as in his discretion the public safety requires. (4) Any other powers authorized by law. Upon termination of the emergency, compensation shall be paid by the Government of the Virgin Islands for the loss, damage, or destruction of any private property taken for Government purposes during the emergency.

So, if the document is a true copy, then the NG can "seize" pretty much anything it wants as long as they say they need it.

Tell me if I'm wrong!

a reply to: loam

Next they'll be seizing stocked food and water if they have to much... Smh.

a reply to: loam

So how many bullets fired into the heart of the storm to change enough wind velocity to drop that beast? I guess we shall see.

a reply to: loam

Being an NRA member and an American...I concur

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: loam

Next they'll be seizing stocked food and water if they have to much... Smh.

Yes, They Can.... both there and here in the continental United States.

Executive order 13603

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...


www.naturalnews.com...

In March 2012, President Obama quietly signed an Executive Order that has major implications should some sort of national emergency arise, such as enabling the federal government to take over management and distribution of all food, water and other resources.

In issuing the order, EO 13603, titled, "National Defense Resources Preparedness," Obama claimed authority under the Defense Production Act of 1950, a Korean War-era statute (50 U.S.C.) (see it here) that gives the government the power to marshal whatever resources are necessary to protect and defend the country during "military conflicts, natural or man-caused disasters, or acts of terrorism within the United States,"

In addition, he notes, "food resources" includes "all potable water" and every imaginable agricultural product.

What is disturbing, he writes, is the order's potential implication for anyone who is storing food in their homes or in special locations for consumption in the event of an emergency. The order – and indeed, the 1950 act – appear to grant the government such authority.

Also, Hodges notes, way back in 2008, before Barack Obama was elected to his first term, the Bush administration began mass purchases of storable foods, something that alarmed food sellers at the time.

It's not clear what enforcement mechanisms would be employed by the administration should the president declare a national emergency and order stockpiled food confiscated, but such a scenario is unsettling on many levels. Not only would families be disrupted and immediately dependent upon federal, state and local agencies for subsidence, but there very likely would be violence directed toward any government agency or military unit instructed to confiscate private food stores.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Tempter

The NRA can and should win the argument of whether gun grabs are Unconstitutional... they won't win the argument of whether US territories are subject to full Constitutional protections, however. If Guantanimo Bay didn't change SCOTUS precedent, then this certainly won't.

The NRA needs to keep people scared so they can keep getting donations and subscriptions.
For having such a large conservative base of anti-lobbyist voters, they sure love this lobbyist group unrepentantly and without question.

a reply to: the owlbear

What's scarier:

1. The NRA reporting the facts

or

2. A seated Governor ordering the National Guard to go door-to-door confiscating privately owned firearms ... to combat a hurricane

a reply to: Snarl

Did the governor do that?