M 6.3 Explosion - 24km ENE of Sungjibaegam, North Korea

a reply to: flatbush71
puts the term epic scale into context doesn't it.

originally posted by: Avicenne

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: carewemust

We can pre emptively strike north korea with no consequences from china or the rest of the world. Wouldnt be the first time china backed down and got suddenly insecure when the usa dropped its trow to show just how big its stick really is.

“Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s no military solution here, they got us.”


Steve Bannon

Not because he's a racist that he can't make sense sometimes.

Not to get all cold and calculating, but never in the course of warfare have 10M people been killed in a conventional weapons salvo. Yes NK will get off a bunch or artillery pieces but unless he goes nuke or bio, the deaths will be nowhere near that. Lots of destruction and still lots of death, I don't see a way where NK voluntarily abandons it's nuclear program in a verified way. We've been down this road multiple times with NK an knew it would lead to a moment like this. No one should be surprised.

a reply to: Boscov
Lol uhhhh you can't evac 25 million

Have you ever even seen a city trying to evacuate from a hurricane? And that's not even 1/3 the size of Seoul....

No offense but where did you come up w this? There's no infrastructure to even facilitate such a thing

a reply to: pavil
how good is the US anti artillery defenses?I saw video of C-RAM shooting mortars out of the air during the peak of the second gulf war
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maybe ring Seoul with C=Ram,Patriot ,THAAD and any new stuff.

a reply to: TheLotLizard
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Oh I fell asleep are we still here..

Honesty dont know about the dangerous part,even though I agree about the fear mongering to certain extent. Still feels like TPTB would rather have this chit happening to occupy the masses collective minds, while other stuff is going on. Every since the late 50's the US and its allies have lived with the possibility of some nut case lobbing a nuclear war head at us. Whats one more, doesn't change the fact that if he attacks, he is toast. No matter how many bombs he makes or how sophisticated their nuclear program becomes.

At the most he is using this as a bargaining chip to pressure for the end of sanctions and at the least for prestige in North Korea itself as in look at what I made the big bad Americans do or say.All this does is ratchet up the tension and make it more likely somebody screws up. Unfortunately individually there isn't anything we can do about it, I suppose collectively if we had the discipline to say boycott Chinese goods might have an effect somewhere way down the road,but even that would only possibly force China's hand still no guarantee that stops Kim Jung from being belligerent.

The oligarchs of the world are not going to end their control and wealth with nuclear war.
They would become they same as everyone else.
There all in it together, they always have been, making you think its the end of the world is part of their job as well.

Profits are being made as we speak, with just the rumors.
Its a club.

Somebody cue up George C.

a reply to: Illumimasontruth

I agree whole heartedly that the driving force of every major conflict is money/power. With Russia asking for our diplomats to leave the country while this is happening shows where they stand. I believe NK is purposely starting a conflict on behalf of china/Russia. So while we engage with NK they can continue posturing on the side lines. China has been very vocal about changing the petrol currency to the yuan. That i feel will be the driving force behind this next war.

a reply to: audubon

Aww Jeez- I think I'm Gonna be Sick is the RATS thread* in question. Here is a screenshot from his live spectro feed showing the initial blast:



The signature on the Japan, N. Japan, and Kamchatka are from the explosion. The cavern collapse wasn't a large enough magnitude to register on any of the monitored stations on his live feed.

I wasn't watching when the event occurred and only found out about it this morning; have been very busy at work in the wake of Harvey and just do a little mindless computer gaming when I get home before crashing.

Even if it was a 6.3 event, a similarly sized quake would have propagated further and probably would have eventually registered on every station on the feed and shown definite s-waves; these signatures don't appear to have any s-waves associated with them. Looking at the attenuation of the signature between Japan and N. Japan and then further out to Kamchatka, I would say that it was probably a bit lower than the initial estimate. More precise calculations could be made from the data.

If TA hasn't responded by the time I've made this post (I've read the entire thread up to your post, so he may have posted after you but before I made this post), I will try and get his attention and direct it here.

Here is his current stream:



If NK (or anyone else for that matter) sets of another big boomer in that area, it will show on Japan first followed by N. Japan and then finally on Kamchatka.



* - The gist of the thread was that the data that seismologists get is delayed because the military has primary access in order to restrict signatures being recorded they do not wish made available. It was determined that the primary reason data would be redacted is so that our technological capabilities would not be made known to others observing the data.

The fact that these signatures registered on the stations we have shows that this particular instance the data was not redacted.

a reply to: putnam6

no guarantee that stops Kim Jung from being belligerent.

I apologize for the length but this is relevant to the topic at hand
lookey here,I'm going to parable this with a true story:

Once,many years ago i worked for the Department of Human Services in the Developmental Disability Service Division
My first assignment was a 20ish young man with CP (cerebral palsy) he liked to scratch holes in his arm in order to get his way,all the staff would cave and do this thing he wanted ,simple crap like flicking lights on and off rapidly or raising and lowering the blinds,I never caved but instead took the lamp and blinds down and stored them in a closet while I was on shift,he would threaten self abuse for a while but as time went on he knew I wouldn't put up with his # and things ran smooth as long as I was on staff there.

i left and went to another residence and once he figured out I was gone the abuse and then the compliance to his demands started all over again until someone ignored his scratching and he flipped her chair through a plate glass patio door,giving that staff permanent brain injury.(side note:that staff eventually died as a long term effect from this I was told)

Kim is no different than my first patient with CP,as long as he gets his way he will threaten until he hurts someone beyond repair,we have to find his blinds and lamp and take them the F**K away and stand firm on it otherwise we are going through that patio door.

a reply to: modified device

Till you get to a certain point size does matter, not to mention having the complete package to deliver the goods to a specific spot.

Right now at best or worse Kim Jung has popped his nuclear cherry, and no longer just on the US's first strike list but has made China's and Russia's as well.

originally posted by: flatbush71
The oligarchs of the world are not going to end their control and wealth with nuclear war.
They would become they same as everyone else.
There all in it together, they always have been, making you think its the end of the world is part of their job as well.

Profits are being made as we speak, with just the rumors.
Its a club.

Somebody cue up George C.

This is probably closer to the truth then most are willing to admit....

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: modified device


Right now at best or worse Kim Jung has popped his nuclear cherry, and no longer just on the US's first strike list but has made China's and Russia's as well.

That's the big mystery here isn't it. I suspect Chinas hand in this as a distraction to its' expansionism in the pacific.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Boscov
Lol uhhhh you can't evac 25 million

Yes you can. I've seen it happen with my own eyes. "Where," do you ask?

"Why, right there in South Korea. I must have witnessed it at least 21 times during my adult life."

"Oh, BS!!" you say.

And yet, Seoul evacuates every Lunar New Year. It takes about 24 hours for the city to empty out (might be a million or two who don't do the pilgrimage to their family's hometown).

The target picture scale would look something like 10X The Highway of Death.

Anyway ... just sayin'.

Now I'm waiting to see if Steve Bannon was right in saying that there would be no action taken against North Korea.

Kim has fired his missile across Japan's bow ... and now he's detonated a thermonuclear warhead. If there was ever a red-line that's been crossed ... this is it.

I suspect Chinas hand in this as a distraction to its' expansionism in the pacific.

You are getting warm , but is not a distraction, more like a memorandum of understanding.

China does the wet work and in return get the go ahead for the gold backed yuan in oil trade as well as reasonable expansion
in the basin.

No matter how you twist it, its still all about money.

originally posted by: modified device
a reply to: pavil
how good is the US anti artillery defenses?I saw video of C-RAM shooting mortars out of the air during the peak of the second gulf war
language warning
youtu.be...

maybe ring Seoul with C=Ram,Patriot ,THAAD and any new stuff.

My understanding is that most of NK artillery is in fortified positions. That's good and bad. Good part is that once they fire their position is known and they aren't moving. Bad is that they are fortified. Still we can neutralize the majority of them relatively quickly. It won't be easy, but it can be done, we have to destroy NK system by system, that is what will take the time. Target rich environment which we have to prioritize.

The Chinese and the Russians are sending very strong signals

Meanwhile, China's Xinhua News Agency said President Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, meeting on the sidelines of a Beijing-led economic summit, agreed "to adhere to the goal of the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, have close communication and coordination and properly respond" to the test.

Buck

a reply to: BASSPLYR

COOL they lost a base or tunnel!

Looking at the site in google maps, one sees that it is in the mountains and has a trail running to it:



from several nearby clusters of buildings:



I wonder if these were where the R&D is done, but it seems to be too close to the detonation area. Maybe test buildings for analysis of yield?

a reply to: Spacespider

I disagree.
He'll wait because his launch capabilities will be neutralized,his artillery placements(We've had only 50 years or so to watch them) are primary targets they may get 2 or 3 volleys off however before they get killed.
Their airforce destruction in minutes is a forgone conclusion,you can tell when radar sites then units go dark.
When our troops arrive he'll blow a nuke in a tunnel, under them.
China won't do squat,the US will then leave Korea.
Russia won't do squat at all.
Their primary forces are tied up.
Border guard groups against 1st Cav?
PLEASE.

nuclear launch detected
Starcraft spoof.

What if we forced all miltaries to disarm and play video games to challenge eachother instead of total war..oh wait that too is a fun game.

Death is permanent.