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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Spider879
Here is the reality about such cases, stop making excuses when they do similar things in other communities, for that's where they typically honned their brutality and it never stops there.
The departments are now going to have to spend more money on PR especially with this and the cop caught on camera telling the lady in the car that shes safe cops only kill black people.
May just be cheaper to weed out the dickheads before they land them in the news.
originally posted by: GusMcDangerthing
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
And here it's usually me who is the cynic.
originally posted by: Spider879
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Spider879
Here is the reality about such cases, stop making excuses when they do similar things in other communities, for that's where they typically honned their brutality and it never stops there.
The departments are now going to have to spend more money on PR especially with this and the cop caught on camera telling the lady in the car that shes safe cops only kill black people.
May just be cheaper to weed out the dickheads before they land them in the news.
You would think that'd be the case, had he shot her, regardless of what we saw, there is a good chance he would have walked, all he had to say he somehow feared for his life and a certain % of the population would believe him
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: GusMcDangerthing
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
And here it's usually me who is the cynic.
The world is a strange and fickle place, I have more faith in people in general of all religions than I do with people who gravitate to positions of authority. In saying that I like dogs far more than I like people.
originally posted by: EveStreet
a reply to: dreamingawake
She was right - he was wrong. Fess up - and then admit you only took the job because it let you be a bully.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: EveStreet
a reply to: dreamingawake
She was right - he was wrong. Fess up - and then admit you only took the job because it let you be a bully.
They were both right. And that's the problem.
The nurse was right, because she had been trained on the rules, and was following them, even calling the hospital administrator on the phone to confirm her interpretation of the rules was correct, right there in front officer Payne.
Officer Payne was right, since he also called his supervisor Lt. James Tracy, who instructed him "to get that blood or arrest that nurse" and that's exactly what he did.
Both nurse Wubbels and arresting Officer Payne were doing exactly what they were told to do by their own supervisors.
All that is captured on that film is the end result of the "system" that pits the front line soldiers against each other, in a battle to get their own jobs done.
originally posted by: redhorse
cop was incorrect in following those orders, he should have backed down and taken that supervisor to task for asking him to do something that was wrong. A pain in the ass to be sure, but ethically and legally the right response.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: redhorse
cop was incorrect in following those orders, he should have backed down and taken that supervisor to task for asking him to do something that was wrong. A pain in the ass to be sure, but ethically and legally the right response.
Well, I don't know what planet you're living on. But, here on earth, soldiers and policemen do as they are told by higher ups.
They don't have the option to say "I think this order is wrong, so I'm not doing it."
These articles require the obedience of LAWFUL orders. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it.
originally posted by: redhorse
You are incorrect and I hope that you are not a U.S. soldier because you clearly do not understand your legal obligations in those situations.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: redhorse
You are incorrect and I hope that you are not a U.S. soldier because you clearly do not understand your legal obligations in those situations.
The problem here is that "interpretation of law" is a subject for "debate." We have courts, lawyers and judges, who spend decades of their lives studying the law so that they can have the "authoritative interpretation" of what it means in any given "context."
When you're an "enforcer" you don't have the luxury of engaging in debate with your superiors over the interpretation of law, nor whether it applies in this particular situation.
You do as you're told, or you're disciplined.
That's why Officer Payne told the nurse "You're preventing me from doing my job." Because he was given "an order".
He was also given another part of that order which demanded he "arrest the nurse".
He did as he was told. Trusting, that his superior knew what was the right thing to do in this circumstance, without "second guessing" his superiors.
originally posted by: Bone75
I've noticed something disturbing... when it comes to incidents involving police officers, 95% of the time, I tend to only go against the police when the victim is white.
Is this indicative of personal bias on my part, or is there something bigger going on?