Nurse forcibly arrested for not allowing cop to draw blood of unconscious patient(Video)

originally posted by: Shamrock6
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If only he had bothered to read my post where I stated if I am wrong i have no issues admitting to that but based on everything I have seen thus far there is info we are missing that can impact the situation.

Like making the detective wait for an hour on an administrator. The detective wasnt initially refused by policy. He was told he needs administrations permission. Something the nurse left out of her version of events while making the talk show rounds.

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originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: diggindirt


Funny thing is he is the only still saying this was all legit and legal. Read every law website or police website and everyone disagrees with this joker.

again if the policy he was operating under was in line with the law and the hospital's was not then why have the police changed their policy to fall in line with the hospitals?

Exactly. It is the police who have backed up and made the necessary changes in policy. You can bet your sweet bippy that had that officer been within his authority, he'd have the backing of the chief. But he and his buddy have been sent to the corner for good reasons.

The lawyers for the trucker's employer would only need to send the paperwork to the hospital and they would have what they needed. They know this. The cop knew this. Further he knew, if he's an EMT that the blood draw had happened before the patient was given any kind of pain medications. As others have pointed out, there's something going on here with this particular cop and his buddy or between them and the other PD. I have no idea what it might be but I know it wasn't the nurse's fault that she got caught up in it. But bad cops will defend bad cops as long as their keyboards work. They will google until they find something that they think might work or might fool someone and conveniently misunderstand when the lie is pointed out.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Honestly I think at this point people have made up their minds and are entrenched with whatever they've decided. Haven't seen many "aha!" moments in the last several pages.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: diggindirt


Funny thing is he is the only still saying this was all legit and legal. Read every law website or police website and everyone disagrees with this joker.

again if the policy he was operating under was in line with the law and the hospital's was not then why have the police changed their policy to fall in line with the hospitals?

Now that you finally admitted the police policy was in fact different tell me what their policy says and hows it different than the hospitals?

Since you cant we would need to know what that policy said to determine if the officers actions were in line with the police policy. If his actions were within policy then the department and not the officer has problems.

Do policemen normally get put in "time out" for following policy? The mere fact that he and his buddy have been given "time out" in the corner would strongly suggest that he wasn't following policy when he abused that nurse.

a reply to: diggindirt

A police officer can be within policy and still potentially violate the law. In case you didnt notice the unified police district is the agency investigating what occurred in the Hospital as a criminal matter.

Thats why he was put in "time out". That investigation has nothing to do with a policy violation. That IA investigation is being handled by IA at SLCPD.

An investigation is just that and doesnt mean any laws were violated.

hence the term investigation. Also "time outs" are dependent upon situation and departmental policy.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: diggindirt

He wasnt because the detective wasnt asking any nurses to draw the blood. He was there to draw the blood himself. Medical refused to tell him where the patient was.

the part you cited is if medical staff is requested and in this case they werent.

Correct, he was there without paperwork asking to violate a patient's rights. The "standard medical practice" applies and it is not standard medical practice to let anyone not legally associated with the hospital to perform medical procedures on patients.

And the fact remains---if he was an EMT he knew the protocol in this case and he knew that a blood sample would be available that was far more accurate than what he would obtain after that length of time. He also knew that a simple batch of paperwork would produce that sample if it were needed. So why did he bully and abuse her? I say they should have drawn his blood and checked to see what made him act like a jerk.

a reply to: Xcathdra
So you are saying it was just a big coincidence that the policy change just happened to come along a day or so after this incident but the incident itself had nothing to do with policy? How does that work? You've taken another of your out of left field turns here. Can I have some of what you've been imbibing? Perhaps that would help me to understand your convoluted arguments....holy cow. From a criminal investigation to a civil investigation then a jump to implied consent to the DOT to finally it was all the nurse's fault 'cause she don't like cops.

It always comes down to that doesn't it? If someone points out a cop doing awful, illegal stuff, it's gotta be the victim's fault because cops always have a law or regulation or policy to support them.

a reply to: diggindirt

Respectfully you really need to catch up in the thread so we dont keep rehashing a conversation when you dont have all the facts.

The "paperwork" in question had nothing to do with the officer drawing the blood and everything to do with the hospital saying their policy requires a warrant or patient consent for a blood draw.

As for what he knew or didnt know all i can say is the info was in the patients chart and cops cant just walk in, grab a chart and start rifling thru it. His status as an EMT is why he is on the blood draw unit with the pd (until this incident).

and no it wouldn't be far more accurate and im not even sure where you pulled that silly thought from. A Hospital lab or a state crime lab blood is processed the same depending on what you are looking for in the blood. the only difference is it is easier for the pd to draw the blood for chain of custody reasons. It means the medical staff doesnt have to testify if the police do the draw.

As for how he acted there is ore than an hour not shown on the video where he waited for an administrator from the Hospital. The rn released the video footage selectively edited to show just the arrest. She has failed to mention everything leading up to it.

a reply to: diggindirt

Is that what he said?

I feel like what he said was that the officers have been put in "time out" because there's a criminal investigation into the arrest.

Not into the fact that he went to the hospital and asked to get a blood sample that wasn't covered by a policy his own department says they weren't using at the time, which is why they've changed their policy since the incident.

a reply to: diggindirt

No i was correcting people who kept saying the policies of the hospital and police department were the same when they werent. I pointed out the Mayor and Chief both stated the policy was reviewed and changed following this incident. I am saying they have continued to meet over the policy to get one that satisfies the hospital and the police department.

I raised the issue because if the officer was acting on the police policy then his actions could very well have been justified under that policy.

Either way its important to know for context.

When you read and catch up feel free to ask questions. that way we wont rehash the previous 40 pages... again.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

I raised the issue because if the officer was acting on the police policy then his actions could very well have been justified under that policy.

No, not justified, explainable. There is no justification.

a reply to: Shamrock6
I have no idea what he said. This whole 40+ pages contains all his contortions to justify the bully and his abuse of a professional who was trying to avoid her patient's rights being violated. He's jumped from one thing to another in hopes of convincing someone that this cop is really a nice guy and the nurse is a cop hater. Anyone who disagrees is also a cop hater.

If a cop doesn't know that hospitals operate on paperwork---he shouldn't be a cop. Nothing gets done without paperwork, especially something that doesn't conform to standard medical practice. The hospital had a legal obligation to draw blood for a toxicology screen to prevent overdosing the patient with pain medication. They had a doc's orders to do so. That's paperwork. The cop didn't have any paperwork to prove that he was acting within the law. It ain't rocket science. It's the same, no matter what hospital you happen to be visiting.

The cop had no legal right to that blood---if he did he could have simply called a judge and an e-warrant would have arrived pronto. He wouldn't have had to spend 20 minutes being a butt and then showing the world his behind by abusing a woman for following the rules he wanted her to break. Then, apparently his Lt. thought it would be a blindingly good idea to arrest a nurse at the local hospital for trying to protect a patient's rights. What had he been smoking?

Those two would probably do okay as night watchmen on deserted construction sites but they have no business being in contact with the public in any official status. They should be charged with conspiracy to falsely arrest and kidnap. The doer should be charged with felony assault, false arrest and kidnapping.

But it all comes down to this in some twisted minds: the nurse was a cop hater so she got what she deserved. "He could have handled it better." Ya think?

a reply to: Xcathdra
There is NO policy that justifies his actions. Not in the USA. But in your mind she's a cop hater and she got what she deserved. We understand that perfectly. You've done an excellent job of presenting it.

Police back tracked on their forceful actions only because of viral video venue. They were on the phone to their highest office(r) who when they granted impunity used their authorit-(arian) ways to get what they want.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Also "time outs" are dependent upon situation and departmental policy.

You mean like they 'timed out' that nurse in cuffs in the back of a squad car?

The obvious message to all the staff right there was, who's next?

We want our blood and we'll get it.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I gotta be honest man, this is not a good look on you. At all.