Thelema is based on The Law of Christ (Treat others as you would like to be treated), not the devil

The world worships the anti-christ, the fake Jesus, who does not believe in freedom and wants to get all of humanity together and rid of those who DO believe in freedom (whether it is through bullying, assault, or making discriminating or anti-gay laws). The real Jesus is seen as the anti-christ because the majority of the world worships the anti-christ, just like Jesus was accused of using demonic powers and people even called him "Beelzebub" back then (Matthew 12:24/Matthew 10:25).

The "Beast" as spoken of in The Book of The Law is referring to the natural human being, before human beings held their ideas of good and evil (forbidden fruit) and became ashamed of their own "nakedness" (their own nature). 6 is the number of man (even the book of revelation tells you this), since human beings were created on the 6th day according to the biblical creation story. Human beings have 6 electrons and 6 neutrons and 6 protons.

While the religious tried to promote the forbidden fruit (knowledge of good and evil) and get nature to feel ashamed of itself and create low self-esteem and shame towards following your will as a natural being who isn't a slave, The Sacred Law of Freedom has been passed down from generation to generation through a small group of people who were seen as "heretics" or "evil ones" by the outside world.

Jesus Christ, Saint Augustine, and Aleister Crowley were the 3 to teach this Law in a direct and simple way:



People have the right to be gay or bi or straight, dress up in normal or weird clothing, be completely normal or have a very unique and creative personality. Every sunflower may look the same but they have their own individual differences. Life thrives on differences. Hold The Law of Will and Freed ("Do What Thou Wilt") and do what you will and allow others to do the same. This is Freedom for both yourself and others. This is the only way Freedom can exist for all. This is treating others as you would like to be treated. Anything else is promoting aggression and slavery.

a reply to: lightofgratitude

You don't need religion or the shadows of bloated historical figures to understand and promote a basic common courtesy

a reply to: lightofgratitude


What we have a right to be is mute since we dont know the moral code. If we have a right to be gay or what ever...well that is Our assumtion and not a blessing from God.

We have no right to speak on Gods behalf since we dont know God. God ended his work on the seventh day, and is resting according to genesis Chapter 2. And has not stopped resting according to any scripture.


If we are speaking according to any God it must be Lord God who started his work after God ended his work on the seventh day. This is practically written in black and white within the two first pages of the bible.


If God is resting...... it sure aint God who formed Adam from the Dust on the ground. And it was not God who planted a garden eastward in Eden. And God sure did not form the serphent..... Because all that God created was good.

a reply to: lightofgratitude

Way to try and corrupt the Golden Rule. There is nowhere anyway possible that do unto others as you would have them do unto you can be construed as meaning do what thou wilt. That is imbecilic.

Do what thou wilt, is undeniably luciferian in nature and for you to try and equate it with Jesus is asinine.

Jaden

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: lightofgratitude

You don't need religion or the shadows of bloated historical figures to understand and promote a basic common courtesy

So what's stopping people.
Promoting a common courtesy and advocating do what you want, doesn't make any sense

Look at the greatest crime figures, world leaders, they do what they want

Silly thread

It is YOU who are corrupting The Law. "Love is The Law. Love under Will." It's not about doing whatever you want but also making sure that others are free to do whatever they want too (which is Love), not tyranny, not oppression, not a new world order where everyone is brainwashed to live the same way and eventually accept microchips and become robotic; just The Golden Rule of Christ (treating others as you would like to be treated), a respect for Individuality.

a reply to: lightofgratitude

Only free to do whatever they want in that it doesn't impede the freedom of others.

Jaden

The Luciferian doctrine of do what thou wilt is not in that vein AT ALL.

a reply to: spy66

God Is resting from creating, it doesn't mean literally God is resting from now to judgement day
God formed a perfect environment, man sinned and ended that perfection

We do know God, revealed in Jesus

a reply to: Masterjaden

I know that. That's why Thelema and Luciferianism/Satanism has different names. Comparing Thelema (Do what thou wilt. Love is The Law. Love under Will.) to Satanism (You are your own independent god who can do whatever you want without limitations) is like comparing Christianity (Jesus Christ is an expression of God's Love, God's Fatherly Love in The Flesh as The Word) to Islam (Jesus is just a servant of God, not an expression of God's Love in form).

I do NOT promote the worship of Lucifer/Satan. I only promote following your Intuition/Will through The piece of Spirit within YOU. As Jesus said "The Kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21)

a reply to: lightofgratitude
You can't turn black to white that easy.

The Golden Rule of Christ (treating others as you would like to be treated), a respect for Individuality.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. " is nothing at the biblical scripture

The word θέλημα (thelema) is rare in classical Greek, where it "signifies the appetitive will: desire, sometimes even sexual",

Luke 6:31
Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what is yours, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.…

a reply to: lightofgratitude

Hello there. Great points for thought!

I love the idea of absolute freedom, but as things are in our daily life; ignorant people ruin it for everyone. If we just instantaneously unlocked the immaculate doors of absolute freedom, we would very well be opening the floodgates of pandemonium and chaos; because ignorant people will ruin it for everyone.

I believe that absolute freedom should only come when we, collectively united mankind, come into a deeper realization and gnosis of our true nature, and the true nature of existence. Superficially, and for simplicity of discussion, we can call this a mass awakening,.... variously known as illumination, enlightenment, apotheosis, and/or receiving the indwelling of the Spirit of God to see that His Will θέλημά be done on Earth as it is in Heaven οὐρανῷ.

Hermes Trismegistus, Shakyamuni Buddha, and Jesus Christ gave road maps on how to reach this Divine destination of selflessness and communion, (Come-You-And-I-One), (Commune-Unity), ("Com" [together], "Mei" [exchange], "Unus" [oneness, union]).

It is only after such, that we may become better able to constructively carry the tremendous responsibility of θέλημά / Thelema / Will. As it is, even the best of us get dragged right back into lower density states, as we are indeed experiencing reality as physical beings. We kind of drift back and forth, by varying degrees, between good/bad, positive/negative, life/death. The equanimity of the still and quiet middle ground, and the awareness of the unchanging and eternal is what helps to naturally align our thoughts, words, actions, reactions, and will to the realms of loving freedom. In my opinion, collectively and in general, we are too basal, egotistical, selfish, and violent to be given the keys of absolute freedom. We need a lot more love before we are ready to even begin down that road.

How far up the Hermetic ladder have you climbed? Tell me where you think Crowley ended his "service" in that regard and I may tell you where he actually was, on that "ladder." Your definition of Satanism is also wrong.



a reply to: Raggedyman

From another place:

God creates; Nature produces; Art multiplies. God created Chaos; Nature produced it; God, Nature, and Art, have perfected it. ... Chaos means universal matter, formless, but susceptible of all forms. Form is the Light inclosed in the seeds of all species; and its home is in the Universal Spirit.

Morals & Dogma, Ch. XXIX, p783

Free man cannot sin.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
God formed a perfect environment, man sinned and ended that perfection.

Stanely Moon: Adam and Eve were happy enough.
George Spiggott: I'll tell you why. They were pig ignorant!
-- Bedazzled (1967)

a reply to: lightofgratitude

Crowley styled himself as the most wicked man in the world. He called himself the Beast. I read his (huge) autobiography, which was in large part about his failure to climb Everest, but I also have studied the occult my entire life. If you think that he was not a sicko, you are delusional. All religious nutjobs say some nice things. There is some truth in everything. But Crowley was a fraud and a bad influence on the world. Enjoy channeling Aiwass. I here it is a very nice voice to have in your head. I wish you well, but the left hand path is just not worth it.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: spy66

God Is resting from creating, it doesn't mean literally God is resting from now to judgement day
God formed a perfect environment, man sinned and ended that perfection

We do know God, revealed in Jesus

No, you dont know that God has stopped resting. Because there is now verses that tell you that he has not stopped resting.

There is only lord god on the Field right now.

originally posted by: eisegesis

Free man cannot sin.

Because there is no such thing as sin, "do as thou want"
For that I offer judgement, judgement that wrongs are righted and the transgressor is punished fairly.

We are slaves to sin, freedom is coming

a reply to: spy66

Thats your opinion based on whatever you base it on
That opinion doesnt make it right


I am guessing you are a JW
avoidjw.org...

We have different views, we just have to accept whats right for you doesnt mean its right for me

a reply to: lightofgratitude

So your opinion of what jesus taught is almost completely backwards compared to the way in which the bible portrays them. I like your version a lot better as they appear to want freedom instead of unthinking slaves.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: lightofgratitude

So your opinion of what jesus taught is almost completely backwards compared to the way in which the bible portrays them. I like your version a lot better as they appear to want freedom instead of unthinking slaves.

Well who doesnt want freedom, freedom to opress makes the individual wealthy.

No self sacrifice as Jesus taught needed, no caring, no moral obligation. Thats what we are living in right now, whats the issue then???

Actually thelema is basically a philosophy of nature as it is, manifest at ones discretion, bound by ones understanding. It is not a philosophy of morality beyond the realization of ones own place and path, which is ultimately self determined.

(Im buddhist, I just have some experience with the subject)