Kremlin Confirms Donald Trump’s Team Reached Out For Help During 2016 Election.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: smurfy


There's an interesting article here;
PROOF: Trump Tower Moscow Had Land And Plans — His Lawyer Lied To Hide It (UPDATED)

Sberbank sponsored Miss Universe 2013 and announced $2.4 billion in financing for the Trump project with Crocus just days after the pageant concluded, but landed on America’s sanctions list over the Ukraine invasion in March 2014.

Dang that Magnitsky Act.....(code word "adoption")!

On December 16th, 2013 a Russian media outlet published a story about Donald Trump’s plan with the Crocus Group led by Aras Agalarov to build his thousand unit hotel project, adjacent to the rail-linked Crocus City entertainment complex in the floodplain of the Moscow River.

Tevfik Arif, Felix Sater and Trump all part owners of Trump SoHo and Bayrock, while Bayrock has a complex web of shell companies, quite a few of those in the Netherlands.
Felix Sater's father works for Semion Mogilevich a high crime mafia man, and one of the FBI's ten most wanted for all sorts of crime, including money laundering, money laundering conspiracy, securities fraud, wire fraud and mail fraud amongst many other crimes including a number of murders. Interestingly, and fairly recently, a few of Mogilevich's gang resided in Trump Tower.

Panorama's Tom Mangold did a documentary on Mogilevich back in 1999, this is part of it, and these are the people that Trump likes to sail with.


Bayrock is still a registered company, it is dormant but open, while uncovered e-mails show that Sater's name should not be mentioned in anything to do with the business that Bayrock had conducted.
Comey at hearings would not/could not comment on Sater or his past FBI involvement and criminality likely because Sater's court documents over the multi-million dollar fraud are sealed, while Lynch's comments at the time is pretty conclusive that Sater's testimony was twofold in that it helped convict 20 people for fraud and ML and also information pertinent to American security.

Another thing, Trump was fully conversant with Sater's past when Trump was associated with Bayrock, and this is before Sater had an office as 'Advisor' for Trump.

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: smurfy

I am calling BS on it

I second that.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: smurfy

I am calling BS on it

I second that.

I gave you a star for that, compensation for the great stress on your finger. Close the door on your way out.

Doesnt' surprise me. We know democrats rig elections. Look what they did in the last primaries against sanders.

We also know that Hillary's Team tried to prop up Trump, because they thought he'd be the easiest one to defeat. They underestimated his appeal and over estimated her appeal.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: smurfy


There's an interesting article here;
PROOF: Trump Tower Moscow Had Land And Plans — His Lawyer Lied To Hide It (UPDATED)

Sberbank sponsored Miss Universe 2013 and announced $2.4 billion in financing for the Trump project with Crocus just days after the pageant concluded, but landed on America’s sanctions list over the Ukraine invasion in March 2014.

Dang that Magnitsky Act.....(code word "adoption")!

On December 16th, 2013 a Russian media outlet published a story about Donald Trump’s plan with the Crocus Group led by Aras Agalarov to build his thousand unit hotel project, adjacent to the rail-linked Crocus City entertainment complex in the floodplain of the Moscow River.

Tevfik Arif, Felix Sater and Trump all part owners of Trump SoHo and Bayrock, while Bayrock has a complex web of shell companies, quite a few of those in the Netherlands.
Felix Sater's father works for Semion Mogilevich a high crime mafia man, and one of the FBI's ten most wanted for all sorts of crime, including money laundering, money laundering conspiracy, securities fraud, wire fraud and mail fraud amongst many other crimes including a number of murders. Interestingly, and fairly recently, a few of Mogilevich's gang resided in Trump Tower.

Panorama's Tom Mangold did a documentary on Mogilevich back in 1999, this is part of it, and these are the people that Trump likes to sail with.

Bayrock is still a registered company, it is dormant but open, while uncovered e-mails show that Sater's name should not be mentioned in anything to do with the business that Bayrock had conducted.
Comey at hearings would not/could not comment on Sater or his past FBI involvement and criminality likely because Sater's court documents over the multi-million dollar fraud are sealed, while Lynch's comments at the time is pretty conclusive that Sater's testimony was twofold in that it helped convict 20 people for fraud and ML and also information pertinent to American security.

Another thing, Trump was fully conversant with Sater's past when Trump was associated with Bayrock, and this is before Sater had an office as 'Advisor' for Trump.

None of that will mean anything. It's all coincidence... but a Washington lawyer who worked for a Russian who also happened to have once worked for Obama means something. That's the logic you're dealing with.

a reply to: amazing

Haha Sanders lost fair and square. No election was rigged. Only in the minds of the far right or the loser Bernie supporters.
There would be a lawsuit if that had really happened.
All there is are some emails saying they preferred Hillary( the democrat) over Sanders ( the socialist turned democrat ) for the election. You got a resignation over a manners violation that's it. There was never any rigging.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: amazing

Haha Sanders lost fair and square. No election was rigged. Only in the minds of the far right or the loser Bernie supporters.
There would be a lawsuit if that had really happened.
All there is are some emails saying they preferred Hillary( the democrat) over Sanders ( the socialist turned democrat ) for the election. You got a resignation over a manners violation that's it. There was never any rigging.

There was a lawsuit. LOL In the lawsuit, there was testimony showing that the democrats rigged the election. The key part of the DNC defense was that because of how they are set up and their bylaws, they have the right to rig the primary to put up any candidate they want. The basically admitted that they have the right to rig the primaries in whomever's favor they want including the way they handle superdelegates.

Emails released also show they riggerd the primaries and in fact Debbie Wasserman Shultz was forced out of her position because of this.

LOL

We know they rigged it. We have verifiable proof from multiple sources including a court of law.

a reply to: amazing

Umm yeah you're going to have to link that to actual court documents.

a reply to: amazing

Debbie was the resignation I was talking about. She resigned because of a scandal not because of a crime.
There was no criminal case brought against the DNC. You're misinformed.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: amazing

Debbie was the resignation I was talking about. She resigned because of a scandal not because of a crime.
There was no criminal case brought against the DNC. You're misinformed.

It was not criminal. It was a lawsuit though.

Remember, that there is a difference between illegal and immoral and unethical. I can be as unethical as I can and never go to jail but people won't want to hang around me or do business with me. They'll think of me as a jerk. They won't trust me. Same for you.

Why don't we hold the DNC and Hillary to the same standards? I'm not talking about Fox news Right wing radio-brainless propaganda either.

Here's a link about the Lawsuit.

www.washingtonpost.com...

and here's a link showing that Debbie Wasserman Shultz resigned because those leaked emails showed she conspired to rig the primaries against sanders. Again, not illegal, but unethical and immoral.

www.nytimes.com...

Wapo delivers a good, wide-ranging, contextual briefing on the mid-january '16 exchange

...The request came in a mid-January 2016 email from Michael Cohen, one of Trump’s closest business advisers, who asked longtime Putin lieutenant Dmitry Peskov for assistance in reviving a deal that Cohen suggested was languishing.

“Over the past few months I have been working with a company based in Russia regarding the development of a Trump Tower-Moscow project in Moscow City,” Cohen wrote to Peskov, according to a person familiar with the email.

“Without getting into lengthy specifics, the communication between our two sides has stalled.
“As this project is too important, I am hereby requesting your assistance. I respectfully request someone, preferably you, contact me so that I might discuss the specifics as well as arranging meetings with the appropriate individuals.
I thank you in advance for your assistance and look forward to hearing from you soon,” Cohen wrote.

Cohen’s email marks the most direct outreach documented by a top Trump aide to a similarly senior member of Putin’s government.

More amateurish moves from Team Trump !
Any bets on Cohen not being out next ?

a reply to: buster2010
False equivalency
Identity politics

Just because someone votes for Trump doesn't mean they are anti American. This is really obvious for reasonable people but had to call you on it.

originally posted by: amazing
Doesnt' surprise me. We know democrats rig elections. Look what they did in the last primaries against sanders.

We also know that Hillary's Team tried to prop up Trump, because they thought he'd be the easiest one to defeat. They underestimated his appeal and over estimated her appeal.

Yes, I was ready to vote for Sanders when Henchman Hillary muscled him out.

originally posted by: xuenchen
So much for "Russians" fixing the election for Trump !!

I think Hillary's corruption had more to do with Her losing than some shadowy vast Russian conspiracy.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: Trueman
Just tell me why Russians change their statement now. If they really did that.

I think it's because Trump hasn't kept his part of the deal after Russia helped him get elected; whether Trump was supposed to lift sanctions on Russia or something else.

Exactly. In other words..., Trump smarter than the Russians.

Well played cold war...hahaha.

The game is never over until it's over. Well played cold war eh!
Below is what happened to a guy who didn't tow the Kremlin oligarch's line not even 20 years ago, and the same oligarch's are still around, this car bombing was in Hungary, with not much left to talk about.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

No no one is surprised.
Nor are we surprised that they lied and said there was none.


I have no connections to Russia. I have no business dealings with Russia. I have no properties in Russia.
Heck I don't even know where Russia is. Russian? Does that mean you're moving fast?

a reply to: Oldtimer2

And if it's negative about trump it's definitely fake news right?

a reply to: yuppa

There's that word again.
It's probably not prolly. Jesus.

a reply to: Black_Fox

Memes. Words for those who have nothing to say.

a reply to: Kali74

It doesn't matter how many times Trump (or his surrogates) lie or what they lie about.

We are well past facts into pure cultish belief.