Atheisms flat earth

For what its worth
Bit of contention and pooh flinging

I note many people say that religion teaches the earth is flat

“The Flat Earth Society is an active organization currently led by a Virginian man named Daniel Shenton. Though Shenton believes in evolution and global warming, he and his hundreds, if not thousands, of followers worldwide also believe that the Earth is a disc that you can fall off of.”1

Wolchover, N., Ingenious ‘Flat Earth’ Theory Revealed In Old Map, Live Science, 23 June 2011.

creation.com...

Funny isnt it, blaming religion and it was an atheists all

But arnt atheists religious anyway

a reply to: Raggedyman

I'm lost here. What is this thread even saying?

You're saying atheists are responsible for flat earth theory, then you link a quote to a Christian site?

While I suppose it's true that a few people have tried to use scripture to justify flat earth theory, in general it's just crackpots pushing such nonsense, and their religion or lack thereof is irrelevant, or at least takes a distant back seat to their stupidity.

As far as Atheists being religious, it really depends upon what kind of atheist we're talking about. Atheism is one of those words that's hard to pin down. Yes, there are "atheist" organizations who profess to give the "real" definition, but atheists are notorious non-joiners, so such an organization does not speak for them all.

As a broad generality, I think it's safe to say that there are two main types of Atheists:
1) Hard atheists -- who BELIEVE there is no God.
2) Soft atheists -- who recognize that there is no empirical proof of a God and therefore choose not to believe in one.

Since the question of whether God exists is non-falsifiable and therefore beyond the purview of science, the first type of atheist is absolutely religious, or at least philosophical (for lack of a better term), as they claim to hold knowledge which cannot presently be known empirically.

The second sort of atheist, not so much. They're simply saying they will not devote extra energy to believing in something for which empirical proof does not exist.

I just had a chance to upload my Eclipse picture.

How about the "I dunno" atheists.

originally posted by: Justso
How about the "I dunno" atheists.

Those are soft atheists. Agnostic atheists. They recognize that there is no empirical proof of God and therefore do not believe in one, but acknowledge that they do not truly know whether God exists.

In fact, many of them would argue that it's not possible to know.

Believe in a FE or dont
I dont mind what you believe about the shape of the earth, it hinders me not at all

Just dont make it about something its not, religion, non religion, it doesnt matter

Instead of putting faith in other people's opinions. Form your own.

Flat Earth theory is a direct result of people ignoring the nature of the universe and focusing on mankind's manipulation of free will.

a reply to: Dudemo5

I would call "soft atheism" agnosticism

Rag, I know (or feel) you're smarter than this.

The Bible was written at a time where there were a lot more unknowns. In my opinion certain scriptures could be interpreted to say the world is flat. Although I don't really think that's what they were trying to convey or state as fact. At this particular moment in time I don't recall if there is scripture that could be interpreted to suggest the world is round. But I wouldn't be surprised to find them. I really think the Bible doesn't make any clear indications one way or the other. Like I said though, the scriptures therein were written in earlier times before a lot of the world knew of or accepted the heliocentric model. I feel you can agree with these sentiments.

Just went to the link and see it is pretty much the quote from your OP. Not sure where the atheism is tied in there? I suppose the acceptance of evolution? Not sure since there are plenty of Christians who understand evolution. I either don't know your position on that or have forgotten it (I know we've conversed a little here and there). At any rate, flat earth is a dumb thing to believe, whatever your other beliefs may be.

I think religion gets flack for stuff like this thanks to the history of the RCC and their iron fist on having the truth on anything and everything. That's not to say they were all like that of course. But I think you know what I mean here. They wanted to be the authority on it all. Even going so far as to sell forgiveness. As if that is legit. Ha!

Maybe the OP wasn't as deep as I read into and you're just picking on the fact that some more contemporary person that is the apparently the leader of the Flat Earth Society also supports evolution. Linking one obviously dumbass thing to believe (Flat Earth) with another thing he supports (Evolution) and concluding that therefore evolution must also be a dumbass belief.

Idk. Idk why I typed this much of a response.

Also no. Nothing religious about rejecting religion and its inconsistent claims.

a reply to: Barliman

I would call all agnostics atheists.

Not knowing is still not having a belief in a God(s).

Which is all that is required to be an atheist.

If the answer to the question of "Do you believe in a God(s)?", is no or Idk. You are an atheist. Simple as that. Not knowing there isn't one is fine.

Not knowing if there is or isn't, is still not having a belief in one.

Atheism is disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

That is my take on it. For what it's worth.

For the record though, when talking about my own atheism in conversation with people, I often refer to myself as the Agnostic Atheist. Mainly because you get funny looks and sound cold just saying atheist. People can define the term God differently which I personally feel can be used too freely.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Are you drunk?

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the main reason for professing belief in a flat earth (or fake moon landings) is because it is very irritating to hard line scientific materialists, and there are hours of harmless fun to be had in stirring them up with increasingly outlandish theories and justifications?

I mean, seriously, this stuff is easy enough to test for oneself. It is not, dare I say? rocket science.

a reply to: Barliman

Absolutely. It's the main reason I lurk in the Origins and Creation forum.

originally posted by: Barliman
Has it ever occurred to anyone that the main reason for professing belief in a flat earth (or fake moon landings) is because it is very irritating to hard line scientific materialists, and there are hours of harmless fun to be had in stirring them up with increasingly outlandish theories and justifications?

I think it was *everybody's* belief that flat earthers were just trolling - and it may genuinely have started out that way - but over time it has become evident that this an actual thing.

I had always pretty much took it that the earth was the ball that I was taught in school despite knowing at the time the history books were off . I had figured for some reason they were not being as truthful as maybe they should . small red flag .
Later on I found that NASA didn't seem to give straight answers as well .another red flag . Then I listened to Rupert Sheldrake's banned TED talk about the science delusion...big red flag

So when the FE started trending I thought I would give a honest listen to them . I joined one of the bigger groups and put my 2 cents in and added a few links and suggestions . I found that on that site you could bash and ridicule God and every thing was ok but if you were a God fearing believer then you were not welcome .

Today I know that I don't know the earth is a ball and I know that I don't know that the earth is not flat .I also know that a constant in science is really not constant but I really don't care one way or the other .

I have a faith that differs from other believers and I see that both atheist and scientist do as well . its all good .

I'm an atheist. The worlds round....just like that bb rolling around in that 55 gallon drum you call a head.

a reply to: Justso
That'd be agnostic

a reply to: Raggedyman

Just because you believe in evolution and global warming doesn't make you an atheist... What kind of specious conclusion is this?