Something is wrong with your bloody ships.

a reply to: khnum

That sounds more like spoofing, not hacking. The two are different. It's not hard to spoof a GPS signal. They also have GPS jammers to block GPS signals. I'd be shocked if they couldn't spoof it. That's one reason China Lake has been doing GPS denial exercises, and old navigation systems are making a comeback.

a reply to: Zaphod58

You may have to go back to the crows nest if they can hack.

a reply to: khnum

If they were spoofing there are ways around that, and it's not super hard to get around. If they were hacking, they could have just blocked the ships positions completely.

a reply to: swimmer15

True enough! Won't argue that a bit.

It's also true enough that they have a lot more training than I. It seems evident, to me at any rate, that something is not quite right. I'm more than willing to admit that I could be wrong.

I'm not one to jump all over the military, especially the men and women serving, unless there is something, to me, wrong. Show me where I'm wrong, and I'll freely admit it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Oddly enough, I was going to check that--don't suppose you've a link? I know you do!!

So, it sounds like a case of it all happening at once, looks like a trend but really isn't. That's a good thing!!

According to popular mechanics, spoofing is highly unlikely.

www.popularmechanics.com...

a reply to: seagull

It's a PowerPoint document that I downloaded. It breaks accidents down to aviation, afloat, personal vehicles, etc for the last several years.

I converted it to a PDF. Try this.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
If you look at the Class A Afloat Mishap rate for the last four years, with the exception of 2015, when there was only one, they're actually slightly below the trend this year, and the Fiscal Year is almost done.

Mishaps might be common, but full on collisions like this are actually not. And three in the span of a couple months is worrisome.

www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Collisions that do this much damage aren't, but collisions are more common than people realize. There are several that aren't listed in that article. There have been many during UNREP, and others transiting in tight sea lanes.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thx, Z. You, as always, rock!

It'll take me a bit to go through that.

a reply to: seagull

Some of the aviation related short narratives for this year are pretty wild.

a reply to: [post=22593812]seagull[/post

I agree something isn't right at all, I have never been on a deployment where a ship was allowed to be close enough for a collision unless unrep or other restricted maneuvering operations .. minus small boats, which are difficult to deal with because many approach just to observe or fishing boats not yielding etc.

When on-station, especially in foreign waters, active watches port, starboard, bow and stern. Constant, full-sweep radar with that watch glued to the displays as well. Not for lack of technology or lack of training... just very poor management not insisting this was all being done, and reported back to them at regular intervals. Ships officers will take the blame for this.

originally posted by: swimmer15
a reply to: seagull

Easy to say from your office chair, whole other world in practice, where talking a ship nearly six times the size or your fishing boat, with who knows how many ships especially fishing boat and fairies around.

Brirish navy can navigate the channel, the busy shipping lane in the world with crashing.

originally posted by: Flanker86
The idea that anybody might be hacking a ship and controlling it, is a james bond'esque funny joke ... Please, go learn some other better jokes!

The US just doesn't want to admit there sailors are currently usless.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
www.660news.com...

The title is a homage to Admiral Beatty, but it is fitting.
What gives? How is another modern warship unable to steer clear of an oil tanker?
this is the second one in a couple of months.

I'm sure the technology is fine, you yanks can make a bomb that will fly through a letter box, so I am sure you can make a decent surface tracking radar.

That leaves training. What is going on with your commanders? Has there been a degrading in the standards of your officers?
Maybe the USN needs a perisher type course for commanders?

I kinda reckon someone is sending someone a message along the lines that perhaps militree advantage lies in "my computer chip security is better than yours."

Otheriwse perhaps its a subtle message " perhaps you had better not bomb xyz place or perhaps you ought to leave xyz place, or someting in that vein.

a reply to: Phonixfromtheashes

Yeah, that must be it...

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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: khnum

That sounds more like spoofing, not hacking. The two are different. It's not hard to spoof a GPS signal. They also have GPS jammers to block GPS signals. I'd be shocked if they couldn't spoof it. That's one reason China Lake has been doing GPS denial exercises, and old navigation systems are making a comeback.

Yet every single merchant vessel was exactly where they should have been. Spoofing, like jamming is a system-wide vulnerability of all Global Navigation Satellite Systems (GNSS). The merchant ships would have been using the exact same satellite signals.

If you look at the AIS data video I linked you will see that all the merchant ships in the area were navigating the TSS exactly as you would expect on the approach to Horsburgh light.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


There is a wee bit of talk that the ship experienced loss of steering control some minutes before. CBS mentioned it in a vague sort of way.

If true, it is significant.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Are you sure the tech is fine?

You shouldn't be.

Something is up dude