what i think about this bible verse

i dont even understand a word of your interpretation about priests and prophets and israel. my interpretation is very easy to understand for anyone and is very logical.

a reply to: lizardghost

A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Quoting both David and Peter.

Israel was set aside while God calls the nations of the world including some of Israel to him via his sons work of the cross. you judge God as if he were a man who would be quick to act out of wrath to quickly destroy and that he did. He scattered them and destroyed their temple and their city of Jerusalem and it is over run with Gentiles. But always remember

Nu 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Don't worry the day will come. But what of you are you bound for destruction from God or bound for a blessing?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

you said God does not lie. well not doing what he said he would ( destroy those wicked tenants and give it to others) for 2000 years, you are the one making out God to be a liar.

a reply to: lizardghost

the son he sent last is here on earth today. lots of people know who he is, but they dont really know who he is. they will know when they kill him though that God does not wait 2000 years to do what he says he is going to do.

a reply to: lizardghost

the bible also says " the meek shall inherit the earth". so i feel it is the earth the wicked tenants are trying to steal from the son. "come lets kill him and the inheritance will be ours".

when jesus spoke " do you believe in the son of God" he was not referring to himself.

originally posted by: lizardghost
“What then is this that is written:
“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone’?

Psalm 62:2
He only is my rock and my salvation, My stronghold; I shall not be greatly shaken.

Matthew 7:24-27 explains how not having faith in Jesus Christ will result in standing on sand whilst a torrent of chaos (7 Year Trib) removes all foundations of stability under the sinners' feet.

Also, Jesus is like a rock (island) of stability standing above an ocean (World) of sin.

Cornerstone: Jesus will be the initial building block of the new house (World) during His 1000 Year Reign. Firstly all bad (sinful) parts of the house will be destroyed. Then His repented (meek) followers will become the rest of His House.

Owner of the vineyard ….. God
The vineyard ……………. Israel
The tenant farmers ……… Religious leaders of Israel
Servants of the owner …… The prophets
Son/Heir of the owner ….. Jesus Christ

originally posted by: lizardghost
i dont even understand a word of your interpretation

No! Really?

originally posted by: lizardghostabout priests and prophets and israel.

Do you know what the priests and the prophets were

originally posted by: lizardghost

my interpretation is very easy to understand for anyone and is very logical.

It is easy, its very logical if you watch tv and go to the movies and mix modern culture with a book thousands of yeras old written to people and by people back then.

and I dont think anything I could say, nor anyone here could say, you prefer spacemen, because

In your world mixing a single parable, from a large book based mostly on historical fact, with aliens is logical???

originally posted by: lizardghost
i dont even understand a word of your interpretation about priests and prophets and israel. my interpretation is very easy to understand for anyone and is very logical.

That's because you're picking one tiny part of the Bible and using that for some alien explanation without reading the rest of the book itself to find out what that one tiny part is about.

It's like watching 10 seconds of the middle of a movie and trying to tell me what the whole movie is about. It doesn't work that way.

It's also like me trying to explain how a motor works and you only pay attention to the word "motor" and then telling me... "So motor means rocket ship designed and powered by aliens".

a reply to: StallionDuck

i think i explained it pretty clearly yet you still do not understand my interpretation. if humans are the wicked tenants of Gods vineyard the earth, and he destroys them and gives the vineyard to others referring to a people other than humans, the only thing other than humans would be some other form of life, who knows if it is people from another planet i am just speculating what others could mean. heck, he could turn dogs into dogmen and dogwomen and give the earth to them who will give him the fruits of the vineyard. dont take me literally on that

a reply to: lizardghost

I see the problem here. The Luke version of this parable is missing a sentence. Here it is from the Matthew version.

Matthew 21
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

You can argue about what verse 43 means but here is my take on it.

According to the book of Hosea specifically in chap 6 verses 1 through 3 it states that Israel and Judah were to face a long term curse of 2000 years. The day of Jezreel prophesy. For killing John the Baptist as Elijah the prophet and that Jesus himself was to be crucified later they were adding an extra punishment to the curse. The kingdom of God was to be taken from the first century Jews and given to another people.

This is the blessing that Jacob laid on Judah before he died from Genesis 50.

8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Jesus Christ revoked this blessing. So it could be given to another people. And if you read up on Ashkenazi Jews it would seem they fit the prophesy nicely. Jews but not Semitic Jews. Rather they were descended from Kazars. A nation and people from SE Asia who converted to Judaism around 800 to 1200 AD. And make up 70-80 percent of Israel today.

Interesting isn't it?

a reply to: lizardghost



Again... and it's been said 100 times here already. It wasn't addressed to HUMANS. He was talking to the pharisees. It was being taken from THEM. Not humans.

a reply to: lizardghost

Don't take the longsuffering of the LORD as not doing what he says he will do.

Ro 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
2Pe 3:9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

originally posted by: lizardghost
a reply to: lizardghost

...the vineyard being earth. the tenants being humans.

That's incorrect, perhaps this related parable will help with understanding what is being referred to:

The Rich Man and Lazarus 1 of 2

a reply to: whereislogic

Not sure if the story Jesus tells of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable. It is not said to be one in the preserved word of God. This is more than and true to life story to prove a point, that is basically what a parable is. There are to many facts i.e. name of one person and not the other shows Jesus knew both of them but only names the one who is saved. He also speaks of two places one he calls in by its name, Hell. While the other place he just says Lazarus was in the bosom of a Abraham.

To many facts to is just being a true to life story as it uses real known the names and places.

My humble belief on the subject.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
The Jerusalem Bible, in a footnote, acknowledges that it is a “parable in story form without reference to any historical personage.” If taken literally, it would mean that those enjoying divine favor could all fit at the bosom of one man, Abraham; that the water on one’s fingertip would not be evaporated by the fire of Hades; that a mere drop of water would bring relief to one suffering there. Does that sound reasonable to you? If it were literal, it would conflict with other parts of the Bible. If the Bible were thus contradictory, would a lover of truth use it as a basis for his faith? But the Bible does not contradict itself.

What is the origin of the teaching of hellfire?

In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The Encyclopedia Americana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 68) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.

But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer”), the one whom Jesus Christ called “the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.

Source: Hell: Reasoning

Myth 2: The Wicked Suffer in Hell

What is the origin of the myth?

“Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato.”—Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell), by Georges Minois, page 50.

“From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms . . . The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism [the teachings of Plato].”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 25, page 890.

“The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God.”—Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 edition, page 270.

What does the Bible say?

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Revised Standard Version.

The Hebrew word Sheol, which referred to the “abode of the dead,” is translated “hell” in some versions of the Bible. What does this passage reveal about the condition of the dead? Do they suffer in Sheol in order to atone for their errors? No, for they “know nothing.” That is why the patriarch Job, when suffering terribly because of a severe illness, begged God: “Protect me in hell [Hebrew, Sheol].” (Job 14:13; Douay-Rheims Version) What meaning would his request have had if Sheol was a place of eternal torment? Hell, in the Biblical sense, is simply the common grave of mankind, where all activity has ceased.

Is not this definition of hell more logical and in harmony with Scripture? What crime, however horrible, could cause a God of love to torture a person endlessly? (1 John 4:8)

Compare these Bible verses: Psalm 146:3, 4; Acts 2:25-27; Romans 6:7, 23

FACT:

God does not punish people in hell

Source: One myth leads to another

Pretty obvious here:

Matthew 13:38-40 - "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world."