Man Stabbed By Antifa Mob Outside His Home For Not Condemning ‘Nazis’ Hard Enough

a reply to: underwerks

well he said per your source "and i hope they weren't" and that means he doesn't know who they were and hoped that it wasn't them because he supports them, so even if he was sure that it was them he wouldn't tell anybody and that explains why he refused to be interviewed

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: pthena

Are you saying because he sold heroin (which is totally unrelated) he deserved to be stabbed in the context in which he did? (Not denouncing hard enough)

Could be that the stabbing was heroin related and he's simply blaming Antifa because of the Facebook messages. OP even admits to the lack of currently verifiable information.

I fully admit this could be fake.

If it is this guy should be ashamed for hoaxing to spread divisiveness.

But it does go to show the dangers of labeling everyone you disagree with a nazi, and then arguing its acceptable to attack nazis.

As it's turned out it may only be 4chan and the right wing news outlet currently reporting this as Antifa related - it may have no relevance to the dangers of labels. Though, yes, labeling everyone you disagree with as your enemy is going to lead idiots to cause trouble; this case may be nothing more than the political enemies of Antifa trying to swing back.

Take antifa out of the equation.

If this guys story is true (thats a big if) he says people threatened him for supposedly siding with nazis, then showed up to his house and stabbed him for that.

The point of the OP is that the idea of saying its ok to attack nazis, and then labeling people nazis will lead to exactly this.

It doesn't matter if it was antifa or not, this man claims it was clearly this idea of calling people nazis and attacking them that led to this.

Something that we see antifa and members of ATS doing.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: pthena

Are you saying because he sold heroin (which is totally unrelated) he deserved to be stabbed in the context in which he did? (Not denouncing hard enough)

Could be that the stabbing was heroin related and he's simply blaming Antifa because of the Facebook messages. OP even admits to the lack of currently verifiable information.

I fully admit this could be fake.

If it is this guy should be ashamed for hoaxing to spread divisiveness.

But it does go to show the dangers of labeling everyone you disagree with a nazi, and then arguing its acceptable to attack nazis.

As it's turned out it may only be 4chan and the right wing news outlet currently reporting this as Antifa related - it may have no relevance to the dangers of labels. Though, yes, labeling everyone you disagree with as your enemy is going to lead idiots to cause trouble; this case may be nothing more than the political enemies of Antifa trying to swing back.

Take antifa out of the equation.

If this guys story is true (thats a big if) he says people threatened him for supposedly siding with nazis, then showed up to his house and stabbed him for that.

The point of the OP is that the idea of saying its ok to attack nazis, and then labeling people nazis will lead to exactly this.

It doesn't matter if it was antifa or not, this man claims it was clearly this idea of calling people nazis and attacking them that led to this.

Something that we see antifa and members of ATS doing.

Assuming his story is otherwise entirely true, but yes, you're right.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
a reply to: underwerks

Thanks for proving once again that they are all idiots. They attacked one of their own just under the assumption he was a Nazi sympathizer. That doesn't change the fact that a group of people attacked an innocent person just because he uttered a different opinion.

It does change the narrative that they were antifascists.

Which is the title of the OP.

What would you call a group of masked people that stab someone because they accuse him of being a fascists?

So every gang of people that attacks Nazis is somehow connected to Anti-Fa now?

You don't have to be a member of Anti-Fa to want to attack people who's ideology is the extermination of everyone else.

Are you actually justifying this stabbing?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
a reply to: underwerks

Thanks for proving once again that they are all idiots. They attacked one of their own just under the assumption he was a Nazi sympathizer. That doesn't change the fact that a group of people attacked an innocent person just because he uttered a different opinion.

It does change the narrative that they were antifascists.

Which is the title of the OP.

What would you call a group of masked people that stab someone because they accuse him of being a fascists?

So every gang of people that attacks Nazis is somehow connected to Anti-Fa now?

You don't have to be a member of Anti-Fa to want to attack people who's ideology is the extermination of everyone else.

Are you actually justifying this stabbing?

Not at all. Just expressing another reason why your OP is patently false, given the title.

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Grambler

I didn't see anywhere that they claimed this "mob" was ANTIFA.

Oh...and nice source...LOL.

I addressed the source.

But I am glad you chimed in.

Remember when you said this?

At this point...violence against Neo-Nazi's and White Supremacist...yes, I'm all for it.

So even if it wasn't antifa, it was people just like you. They took you advice; theey thought this guy was a nazi, and they were all for violence, just like you!

Perhaps you need to rethink your violent ideology.

It's kind of funny to see the people here who are painting this as Anti-Fa in an effort to defend the guy who got stabbed, completely refuse his wishes about using this to further your right wing agenda.

But hey, who cares about what really happened when you can turn someone elses pain into a soapbox to spread your ideology..

This is what Anarchy looks like. Attacking everything and everyone you disagree with and trying to silence them for good. People will now start to accuse innocent(myself for instance) people of being Nazi sympathizer and justify using violence against them. Unhinged people like the group in the OP are alegedly already roaming the streets to catch me some Nazi's. Again ironically that's exactly what real Nazis do.

Top class thread.

10/10. Can we have more, please?

Anarchy is a pretty decent political philosophy, IMHO. Assume previous poster means nihilism.

originally posted by: underwerks
It's kind of funny to see the people here who are painting this as Anti-Fa in an effort to defend the guy who got stabbed, completely refuse his wishes about using this to further your right wing agenda.

But hey, who cares about what really happened when you can turn someone elses pain into a soapbox to spread your ideology..

Funny. You are all over ATS calling all the unite the right people nazis.

Did they all identify as nazis? Can you show me proof of that?

If not, why would you incorrectly call them that?

originally posted by: underwerks
It's kind of funny to see the people here who are painting this as Anti-Fa in an effort to defend the guy who got stabbed, completely refuse his wishes about using this to further your right wing agenda.

But hey, who cares about what really happened when you can turn someone elses pain into a soapbox to spread your ideology..

That's rich because both sides just exploited the hell out of a poor woman that died. Did you condemn that too or are you just another hypocrite? A lot of that going around these days.

a reply to: Grambler

If this is true, it's inexcusable and horrible.

Unfortunately, there weren't any witnesses so I'm hoping they catch the lowlifes. But... there's been a few recent(ish) instances of stories being reported only to find out they were self-inflicted like the guy who shot himself in the stomach and blamed an imaginary black guy or the guy who shot himself in the penis and blamed an imaginary black guy or the woman who wrecked her car and blamed an imaginary black guy.

What makes me think this might be true is that his defense of the guy at the Nazi rally was published in a paper so the potential motive was there.

So... kind of like a lot of things recently, I hope it's not true but, if it is, I hope they get caught and locked up. And if they truly do claim membership to an organization, I hope that organization condemns the hell out of them and discusses ways to prevent that sort of assault and violence.

Because if true, something like this is approaching lynching status.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: redhorse

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Nickn3
Has anyone actually see a real Nazi recently? How would I identify one on sight?

People are already starting to dehumanize Nazis and we all know this will lead us down a very dark path. Nazis are now a free for all.

Well maybe. There is a difference between dehumanizing and "Othering" someone and keeping a disgusting social perspective reined in. Nazism feeds on that very thing you are claiming is being done to them right now.

I've met real Nazi's in Germany, they're still there, quieter certainly because pubic opinion is overwhelmingly against them, but still there. And I've met real neo-Nazi's in the U.S. They are hateful people. It's a sickening ideology. Sometimes, the only way to keep a social perspective in check is with informal social sanctions. While I acknowledge the risk of mirroring what one hates, sometimes, the risk is necessary.

I agree with you we need to keep nazis reigned in.

I just disagree with using violence against them (unless in self defense).

Lets say for just a minute though that I can agree with that.

The problem is that we immediately have people abusing this straegy to say "Hey thi guy is a nazi too!" to anyone they disagree with. Just check out ATS this week.

No we have set up the conditions to attack these people too.

And now we have exponentially increased the very ideology and tactics that we sought to condemn in the first place.

I agree. I think that is part of the "risk" I was talking about. There can be a slippery slope aspect to this sort of thinking, no matter what ideology you espouse or talking points get you fired up. Right now, we are living in increasingly stressful times and things are starting to wobble unpredictably.

Which is why, as you said, violence is such a risky proposition. All the worse these identity politics are being driven by advantageous and even predatory ideologues who are using it to whip the masses into a frenzy for their own purposes. It's unlikely that all of them, or even most of them, believe in the rhetoric that they are spouting, on BOTH sides of this cultural/racial divide. That's why we have these neo-nazi's and white supremacists AND antifah and BLM at each others throats. Soon, if things continue, along their typical historical course, the more moderate majority will have to pick a side.

I live in a conservative and very white part of the country. I identify as white, I guess you could say I "pass" as white, but I'm not as white as I look. If they knew what my DNA says, there are some people that would be rather upset. I would lose friends. I'm watching these perspectives intensify, even in people that I know and respect. I have neighbors that would be horrified if they knew, which is scary. Just about everything that they hate, is mixed in there, and they sure are saying a lot now, that is disgusting and violent. I didn't talk too much about what I had found out about my heritage before, and I'm sure not going to say much now. What side do I pick?

a reply to: Grambler

It's against the law to assault someone with weapons.

Book 'em, then sue 'em for everything they have.

Next?

(I dont' mean to sound unfeeling toward the victim. I hope he recovers and I hope he is vastly compensated for the damages he has sustained.)

I'm getting confused.

Is Antifa actually a group? LIke can I call someone and say "Hey I'd like to join Antifa. What are the dues and sign up process?"

Or is it a lable we put on any protester that is left leaning or a democrat?

Kinda like Gamer gaters. They don't call themselves gamergaters but others call them gamergaters?

Am I on the right track here?

originally posted by: amazing
I'm getting confused.

Is Antifa actually a group? LIke can I call someone and say "Hey I'd like to join Antifa. What are the dues and sign up process?"

Or is it a lable we put on any protester that is left leaning or a democrat?

Kinda like Gamer gaters. They don't call themselves gamergaters but others call them gamergaters?

Am I on the right track here?

Well they have a flag. They organize all over europe and now in the US with preplanned riots.

They sort of have a uniform (the black bloc garb).

But i don't think the label matters.

For instance, if a guy is spouting off about white supremacy and kicking all blacks back to africa and I say how damning KKK rhetoric like that is, its not really a defense of my criticism for him to say "Oh I am not in the KKK"

So when I say antifa, I guess I mean anyone who shares the belief that they have the right to use violence to censor anyone they view as fascists.

a reply to: Grambler

ANTIFA is sadly closer to the phrase "SJW" than anything in general use.

It's a catch-all term; a bogeyman.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler

ANTIFA is sadly closer to the phrase "SJW" than anything in general use.

It's a catch-all term; a bogeyman.

Not exactly.

Has any states declared SJW a terror organization?

But New Jersey has done so with antifa.

www.njhomelandsecurity.gov...

Despite the fact that some people do get lumped in that aren't members, they definitely are a group.

So they are some black bloc groups.

Why not say that, lol. That's the general term. They are generally anarchists of different stripes (in europe usually social anarchists).

I'm an anarchist - boo!

If you're an american-style (right) libertarian, you are too :/

Bill Hicks was a left libertarian (social anarchist), lol.

"t's all about money, not freedom, y'all, okay? Nothing to do with #in' freedom. If you think you're free, try going somewhere without #ing money, okay?"

"People often ask me where I stand politically. It's not that I disagree with Bush's economic policy or his foreign policy, it's that I believe he was a child of Satan sent here to destroy the planet Earth. Little to the left."

"And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. Just a simple choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace."
The Late Great Bill Hicks

When the sheep turn into wolves, and wolves into sheep. Just grab a shotgun, And ask them, which one which. I heard sheep/wolf fur becoming high in demand.

Satan come here Boy!!!