Battle of LA - Army Fires on UFO in 1942

Hi Gazrok-

could you find other newspapers that mentioned the occurrence ?





[edit on 11-3-2005 by popular mechanics]

Thanks from me too, gaz. LA was such a different place then. Wish I could have been there to see it. I think it's up there with Roswell because there's no deniability. Love it.

Actually, there's already been a book written on this topic:

Battle of Los Angeles, 1942 : The Silent Invasion Begins by Terrenz Sword
www.gazellebookservices.co.uk...
ufoinfo.com...

I've had a run-in with the guy. Not pleasant.

This is Terrenz Sword
www.geocities.com...

Thanks for that, didn't come up with a few searches...of course though, there are a few books on Roswell too, so who knows... After all, while I don't have serious credentials either, this guy seems like a genuine nutjob... Heck, he even LOOKS mean....



Here's one section of his site showing what he does....

Contents:

Audio Visual Production Specialist

Career Highlights

Photo-Video

Music Business Friends

Celebrity Encounters

Models, Playmates, and Porn Stars

LA Nightlife

UFO Research

2004 Itinerary (Shows how often this is updated....)

Hi Gazrok-

could you find other newspapers that mentioned the occurrence ?

Yes, I've come across plenty of other CA newspapers and others that had an article on it, during my research. I'll review my links and show you some examples.

[edit on 13-3-2005 by Gazrok]

Wow, this is very amazing. I don't understand either why this has not gotten huge amounts of attention...

Here is another bit from his site.

This is the scary part of my life. One of the main reasons I had to stay out of the limelight for the last ten years is because I have lived in fear of being assassinated. Whereas to some people that may seem like a joke, those who are close to me, and know the intimate details of my life, know its true. There have been too many strange events that have taken place to be explained away as coincidences. It enough to say that my life is a X-File, and that many of the stories on that show are loosely based on real events.

I'm not really buying into this guy at all.

Gazrok, I think you should do the book thing. Give the subject the recognition it deserves. This other guy makes us all, who are intrested in this topic seem like paranoid, anti social krak heads. Thats the impression I got from looking at his site. It needs to be professional and about the facts, so when the person finishs reading it they are able to make a decision them selfs. To believe or not to believe.

Hey Gazrok any assassination attempts yet?

(Crap do not look at my pic of scarface after reading the above, paranoid, anti social coke head. Put my foot in it then)

[edit on 13-3-2005 by Die Trying]

Hey Gazrok any assassination attempts yet?

Nope, and I'm not exactly checking under my car, hehe....

Yeah, I read his little bio bit there...(led to the "nutjub" conclusion)

I do plan to get his book though, and judge it on it's own merit. If I believe he's covered it well after reading it, then I likely won't pursue it... (even nutjobs can write good books....look at Koontz or King, hehe...)

Just noticed, I had actually come across his book, just didn't look into it yet...

BOOK REFERENCE - Sword, Terrenz. 1996. The Battle of Los Angeles, 1942. UFO Sightings 4(1): 61

The San Francisco Chronicle (newspaper) covered the event on Feb 26.

According to Jerome Clark's The UFO Encyclopedia, Vol.2,
pgs.378-379, the battle took place on February 25, 1942 between
2:25 a.m. to 4:14 a.m. The Los Angeles Times wrote articles on
Feb. 26 & 27, and the San Francisco Chronicle on Feb 26. Clark
also quotes other sources.

[edit on 14-3-2005 by Gazrok]

Yeah I saw that guys site and was immediately scared.
I wouldn't like to meet him down any dark streets put it that way hehe.

Originally posted by GAZROK

Originally posted by POPULAR MECHANICS

Hi Gazrok-

could you find other newspapers that mentioned the occurrence ?

Yes, I've come across plenty of other CA newspapers and others that had an article on it, during my research. I'll review my links and show you some examples.

Impressive-

I expected an " Errm ... No " !

Yes, and a trip to the library will hopefully turn up Clark's "other sources", as there are likely some other papers that covered the biggest military action on US soil during WWII....(in which 6 US citizens died)

[edit on 15-3-2005 by Gazrok]

Heck, he even LOOKS mean...

he looks like a sissy to me ...............

Well, I sure am glad that you guys/gals have the same impression of Terrenz Sword as I had!

Here are the details of my "run-in" with him...

I was taking a 3D Graphics class at a trade school about a year or so ago, and this individual joined our class.

This guy had an ego the size of a Dyson Sphere, and he immediately began antagonizing everyone in class, starting with me...

I'd been joking with a classmate, along the lines of, "If we can put a man on the Moon, why can't we...", and this guy chimes in with, "We never landed on the Moon," from across the room, in an irritating "everybody knows" attitude.
I'm thinkin', "Oh, jeez! Here's another one!", and I ask him, "And why do you believe this?"
He just shrugs and says, "It's common sense. Humans can't pass through the Van Allen Belt. Take some science classes." (It was that last bit that really got to me, because science was always my best subject)

When I asked what his credentials were, he casually said he was a famous author of a book about an alleged UFO event over LA in 1942, in which thousands of artillery rounds were fired.

We looked up his book and his "This is..." website on the Net, and it really got my UFO-skeptic instructor quite riled up, and the two of them often spent an entire class session shouting at each other.
More often, it was the entire class shouting at Terrenz for calling us all idiots.

He lasted about three weeks in the class.

Hi Gazrok-

could you find other newspapers that mentioned the occurrence ?

Here is the current list I have, I'm sure there are plenty of others...
I've even found some sites with more and more details...from eyewitnesses.

Here's the list so far:

Los Angeles Times
Los Angeles Examiner
The San Francisco Chronicle
Topeka Capital-Journal
Glendale News-Press
Los Angeles Daily News
The Long Beach Independent
The Daily Breeze

Originally posted by GAZROK

(...) there are likely some other papers that covered the biggest military action on US soil during WWII....(in which 6 US citizens died)

The alleged casualties are one of the points that made me doubt the integrity of the whole report. The LA Times excerpt on Rense.com - your initial link to the story- only mentions 4 casualties, and these are of questionable causality:

"The blackout was not without its casualties, however. A State Guardsman died of a heart attack while driving an ammunition truck, heart failure also accounted for the death of an air raid warden on duty, a woman was killed in a car-truck collision in Arcadia, and a Long Beach policeman was killed in a traffic crash enroute to duty."

The Fate Magazine transcript also claims shadily:

"Three persons were killed and three died of heart attacks directly attributable to the one hour barrage. Several persons were injured by shrapnel. A dairy herd was hit but only a few cows were casualties. "

Of course this does not mean that the event did'nt happen-
but obviously these two sources tried to magnify the incident.

And of course I'd very much like to see the other articles you've found!

Will you take the trouble and provide us scans of, or links to these documents?

Many thanks in advance!



[edit on 15-3-2005 by popular mechanics]

I just found the references or small excerpts so far, will need a trip to the library and hopefully find a microfiche or request archives (if such papers are still around or being kept). Such is the problem when dealing with old old news... It may be some time though, as still caring for the wife after surgery when not at work... The Feb. 26th articles should clarify the death total (which I'm pretty sure is at 6, if including the heart attacks).

[edit on 15-3-2005 by Gazrok]

There is no hurry-

I only wanted to know if you will share your homework. Glad to hear that it's going to become public domain-

Good Luck, and best wishes for the Mrs. !

Originally posted by GAZROK

The Feb. 26th articles should clarify the death total (which I'm pretty sure is at 6, if including the heart attacks).

Just to make sure that you didn't get me wrong:

I'm not so much interested in the exact death total; but nosy because the Fate Magazine implies that 3 persons were killed as a direct result of the (unilateral) battle-
I would much more like to know how they died (primarily since the Marshall Memo you have posted reports " No casualties among our troops ")-
instead of reading about heart attacks ( of military personnel ...) and random traffic accidents.



[edit on 15-3-2005 by popular mechanics]

Originally posted by GAZROK

Check this out! They re-enact it every year now!!! Even using a Blimp as the target! Re-enacting war jitters? I doubt it!

www.ftmac.org...

More great info (including photos of other newspaper headlines of the event) from the same group here...

www.maxwelldemille.com...

Unfortunately, it's too late to attend ...




PS: Please ignore my previous comment in regard to the casualties. I have learned in the meantime that the other three persons were civilians, killed by falling shrapnel.





[edit on 15-3-2005 by popular mechanics]

Still wading through internet references...

on Virtuallystrange.net, someone suggested to

"use the Freedom of Information Act to get the Army's Situation
Reports for February 25, 1942 for the 65th and 205th A.A.
Regiments. "

Since I'm from overseas, I have no idea if this was a sarcastic comment, or realistic advice-

any volunteers?

Its an interesting idea, but I doubt it will differ from the CO's report, and that's already a matter of public record, and General Marshall's memo to the president is already out from FOIA. Still worth a shot though....