So apparently I'm an alt-right neo-Nazi

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

You better hide your copy of Mein Kampf before the alt left skinny latte you to death.

Comparing the Trump administration to Hitler and white supremacy is sensationalist BS. Sure the Trump admin has been a clusterf**k of comedy since inauguration but I see no Mexicans being hauled to concentration camps.

Who cares what side of the floor you dance on, what irks me is those folk who are so devoted to Trump-not the liberals-that they can't see the forest from the trees and realize the whole administration has been polluted by a bona fide megalomaniac and praise him like a deity.

More jobs? great. Cutting EPA funding? not so great. But when The president of North Korea says Trump is "bereft of reason" you can't help but chuckle.

originally posted by: HorizonFall
a reply to: kruphix

No, it is not. When you counter protest you are preventing others from exercising their right to free speech. It's no different than being met by a wall of riot police (which is probably why they were told to stand down). Don't like what the other side says? Pick another day and conduct your own protest. Preventing the other side from protesting is hypocrisy.

"Free Speech" applies to the government not passing laws that restrict your free speech...it has nothing to do with citizens counter protesting.

Here...just in case you aren't familiar with the 1st amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

When you defend a Nazi, you kind of are.

So if you're for free speech rights to everyone, you're a Nazi?

no...but, if you support free speech for Nazi's, you would logically seem to think they have something meaningful to say...they don't, and they need to be ignored, and condemned, even by conservatives on ATS.....and yet they're not.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

When you defend a Nazi, you kind of are.

So if you're for free speech rights to everyone, you're a Nazi?

no...but, if you support free speech for Nazi's, you would logically seem to think they have something meaningful to say...they don't, and they need to be ignored, and condemned, even by conservatives on ATS.....and yet they're not.

That is the stupidest logic I've ever seen. No; one supports free speech for Nazis because free speech is a universal human right, and not one to be denied for ideas we do not like. It's called standards and principles. Some people still abide by those instead of their feelings.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: HorizonFall
a reply to: kruphix

No, it is not. When you counter protest you are preventing others from exercising their right to free speech. It's no different than being met by a wall of riot police (which is probably why they were told to stand down). Don't like what the other side says? Pick another day and conduct your own protest. Preventing the other side from protesting is hypocrisy.

"Free Speech" applies to the government not passing laws that restrict your free speech...it has nothing to do with citizens counter protesting.

Here...just in case you aren't familiar with the 1st amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The first amendment protects free speech, it isn't the same as free speech, so there is no sense in conflating the two. No; free speech applies to everyone, not just the government.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

When you defend a Nazi, you kind of are.

So if you're for free speech rights to everyone, you're a Nazi?

no...but, if you support free speech for Nazi's, you would logically seem to think they have something meaningful to say...they don't, and they need to be ignored, and condemned, even by conservatives on ATS.....and yet they're not.

Your post made no sense, but it probably sounded good as an argument for denying rights to people with whom you disagree with.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

When you defend a Nazi, you kind of are.

So if you're for free speech rights to everyone, you're a Nazi?

no...but, if you support free speech for Nazi's, you would logically seem to think they have something meaningful to say...they don't, and they need to be ignored, and condemned, even by conservatives on ATS.....and yet they're not.

Wow..

I'm going to pretend you said something different and let that slide, because hey, it's only Jimmy.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: HorizonFall
a reply to: kruphix

No, it is not. When you counter protest you are preventing others from exercising their right to free speech. It's no different than being met by a wall of riot police (which is probably why they were told to stand down). Don't like what the other side says? Pick another day and conduct your own protest. Preventing the other side from protesting is hypocrisy.

"Free Speech" applies to the government not passing laws that restrict your free speech...it has nothing to do with citizens counter protesting.

Here...just in case you aren't familiar with the 1st amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

That's the point. You don't join forces with Antifa and BLM if you're planning to stay peaceful. The locals mingled with them and sorry for saying this but i hope they learned there lesson. Stay the hell away from all groups and stick to your own crowd. It's a real tragedy that locals were caught in the crossfire between these morons and the sad part is this all could've been easily avoided when the police were allowed to do there #ing jobs. I hope the CV locals kick there Mayor out of town for this cluster#. The whole VA should do the same to their governor.

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: DBCowboy

No. I regret making that post.

But when someone defends the free speech of a Nazi group above all else, it gets under my skin.

You must hate the ACLU then

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't disagree with you. There is something to be said about the hoods coming off, which free speech enabled, since American Nazism is bubbling up from the sewers of our democracy. The only people who can't see it are the ones that don't want to.

It's good that the hoods are off. We know who we're dealing with. Without free speech and freedom of assembly, that may not have happened.

Thanks for the thought provoking post!

Roger Waters had a pig with Trumps face on it and a Hillary with a KKK hood on at the "Us and Them" concert. They both have issues. Trump was not a sitting political at the time and we are for sending the sitting ones, who have taken criminal tactics to a new level, back to their homes or the gray bar motel.

ETA

He should keep to the idea that something other than the people are provoking wars and keep the other political stuff out of it. He is still pissed he lost a dad in WWII but I love his music and his story. Artists should be neutral.

originally posted by: Raxoxane
a reply to: fiverx313

The thing is,lately even just believing a country should have borders and immigration should be legal not illegal is by many on the left considered hateful.An extremely unpopular belief amongst most liberals,Antifa etc.And have you seen how viciously they attack those whose beliefs are unpopular with them?Physically attack? So for many of us these days,when someone is called a hateful bigot/racist/something phobic,we automtically assume that person is a sane sensible non Leftist.If upon researching the person we find the person is indeed a racist POS,of course we do not support his views.But these days anyone not agreeing with the left and their worldview are considered evil racists and -ists and -phobics.I am a white South African,let me tell you,no one hates racism more than me.But the terms of racist and Nazi has become so overused and misused that it has lost much meaning,which is dangerous.But that is because the loonies among the left(not all on the left) has made it so.

The standard response of the left to any debate thay are losing is to call someone a nazi/racist/bigot or pedo (for complaining about school closures). Antifa is an international organisation supposed to be against racism. But to them it is being racist for countries to have borders, immigration controls, or any other passport/visa system. That makes them more "international socialist" or "communist" because they believe in "sharing the wealth

i.redditmedia.com...

Merchandise store:
www.fireandflames.com...

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

When you defend a Nazi, you kind of are.

So if you're for free speech rights to everyone, you're a Nazi?

no...but, if you support free speech for Nazi's, you would logically seem to think they have something meaningful to say...they don't, and they need to be ignored, and condemned, even by conservatives on ATS.....and yet they're not.

That is the stupidest logic I've ever seen. No; one supports free speech for Nazis because free speech is a universal human right, and not one to be denied for ideas we do not like. It's called standards and principles. Some people still abide by those instead of their feelings.

and what "standards and principles" do Nazi's have?.....no jews, no gays, no liberals, no muslims, no brown people, no black people, and certainly no black president?....are those the guiding principles?

and when does a person go to a "peaceful assembly" with AR-15's, bulletproof vests, baseball bats, mace, etc....stupid people love violence because violence is easy, and exhilarating. making peace with the "others" takes intellect, patience, and courage, and is dull most of the time.

and finally "feelings"....trump was elected on "feelings".....it wasn't his knowledge on world affairs, his acumen on how to help the working class, his demonstrated ability for governance....no...he played up on white people's fear and intolerance of the "other"

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

When you defend a Nazi, you kind of are.

So if you're for free speech rights to everyone, you're a Nazi?

I'm curious.

Are you also defending the "free speech rights" of BLM and ANTIFA? After all, counter-protesting is still freedom of speech.

But I somehow think you probably have some convoluted irrational argument to say that what those groups do isn't them exercising freedom of speech.

As a witness to that DBCowboy did and added it was the violence that was to be condemned. Me also, I took that stance. If we don't allow free speech we are lost. Freedom has a price to pay and your ears our eyes might have to see something they don't like.

a reply to: jimmyx

Thanks for mentioning the militia type people with AR-15's. I remember them opening fire on the Antifa crowd. No wait they didn't fire one single bullet. Well that's weird.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: DBCowboy

No. I regret making that post.

But when someone defends the free speech of a Nazi group above all else, it gets under my skin.

You must hate the ACLU then

I'm grateful for the ACLU. It's run by better people than I can ever hope to be. I don't cheer them on when they do something I don't agree with. But I don't bash them, either.

originally posted by: Verse
a reply to: Perfectenemy

I brought facts. The illegal part is nothing but excuses, Americans didn't think about any legality while listening to his reasons for the wall. Whole country was built on murder , like KRS said "there can never be justice on stolen land"
I can even bring history too, look at the similarities in Germany during Hitler's reign. Tell me the start of his rise wasn't similar to that of Trumps Now it's upset whites (and I'm white, hi!) who are the race that has it the best and it's so depressing to them to not have anything historically to be depressed about that they lash out. Talk about the ultimate cry baby!

First. All countries are built on numerous things including Murder.

Second. Who is KRS? A rapper im guessing? Bet he wont give up his property due to where it came from. Go ask him.

Third. All land was someone elses at one time or another. The Indians stole it from a previous people too btw.

Four. Trumps rise was not the same. Trump was never in the military or a war. Hitler was. Hitler was a self hating Jew on his mothers side. Trumps not a jew.

Five. There is no "race" but the human one. These poor fools have been indoctrinated to believe in seperate races. HUmans come in different ETHNICITIES. Our governments have decided against educating their peoples on this scientific fact because they do not want us to all get along.

Six. More than whites voted for trump. So there goes the muh whiteness out the window. Only a dummy thinks trump was elected president strictly by the small percentage of Racist/nazis/anti women people.

There ya go. respond,or not is up to you.

a reply to: jimmyx

None of that had anything to do with my argument, despite your attempt to make it look like it. No, Nazis have no standards and principles, and I would advise not doing the same.

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
a reply to: jimmyx

Thanks for mentioning the militia type people with AR-15's. I remember them opening fire on the Antifa crowd. No wait they didn't fire one single bullet. Well that's weird.

wow, what restraint on their part!!!......that neo-Nazi that killed a person and injured 19 others by running them over with his car, didn't fire a bullet either....and how many of the so-called antifa group carried AR-15's while wearing bulletproof vests?

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I apologize for the accusation. It's early. I'm angry. I don't think people who defend Nazis are necessarily Nazis themselves. My post comes across as me being stupid.

I am tired of people diminishing what happened on Saturday as just another day for free speech and pleading for Nazi tolerance. Not that you are doing that. But others on ATS are.

You shouldn't apologize.

Nazi sympathizers were/are just as bad as Nazis themselves.

I agree about Nazi sympathizers. Thank you for your kind post!

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Oh, is it not fun any more because the backlash is coming....what did you think would happen?

Naive doesn't even cover it, you and your ilk, chose to trash the left, name call, seek superiority and dominance, oh and believe in Trump.

Trump, the man who failed to denounce the far right white supremacists... he was given an opportunity, twice yet he chose silence.

So by association, yes that is how you become viewed, ain't free speech grand.

Rant on my friend, though you'll get no sympathy from me....not that you need it, here on ATS you are in good company.

Enjoy your new label.