Incarcerated T1D Dies From Being Denied Insulin

a reply to: M4ngo

So basically you have been saying: let people kill, rape, pillage, destroy someones private property, etc, etc, etc.

Mass anarchy.

You do realize that one of the things that sets humans apart from all other wild life on this planet is: Rule Of Law.

Being able to become aware of the idea of Right and Wrong was a big step in our evolutionary process. The idea that killing someone is wrong, and someone who does it without good reason should be punished, does not exist anywhere else here on Earth.

Being able to reason and to come up with abstract concepts like this was not a step backwards, but a huge leap forwards.

Without it, we would be nothing more than any other animal on this planet.

I asked what you think we should you. You neatly side stepped answering the question, which means you either think we should do nothing (anarchy), or you have no answer that you wish to give (either because you do not have an answer, or do not wish to reveal it for whatever reason).

originally posted by: M4ngo
Why advocate for regulating how humans survive?

Because we're humans.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Uhm......okay, so what is your answer for those who break the law?

A: At Present - We vote them into office and positions of power every year, looking the other way at almost everything

What do we do with the violent criminals that attack or kill people?

A: Answer above

What do we do with them? A fine?

A: That is how the rich do it, no?

What do you do with those who refuse to pay said fine?

A: Collections, like all debts

While I think it's horrible that this person died while locked up due to negligence, I'm glad to see that criminal action was taken against those responsible.

However, I am quite curious as to what your alternate answer is to being incarcerated?

Incarceration is important, some like it there. However, I think its rather strange that the powers that be are able to make a society destroy itself from within, create the very need for people to have to steal or kill for something by destroying advancements made in technology and education as a whole, then have people on a forum arguing about what to do with the end result of a power structure that really does not care about you and if anything, enjoys it.

Who brought the drugs in for the addicts? Who allows it to happen?
Who allowed for the speculation on the stock market 01, 07, and now? Which will result in a total collapse of - well - everything you know.
Who Wanted to see Hero and Naga as holes in the ground?

The most real and dangerous criminals of mankind are the ones in real positions of power.

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: M4ngo

Stealing, raping, murdering are all human constructs too.

And have been going on since before written history.

You propose that if we simply do nothing, that those things will go away?

Wow....

Where did I say do nothing?

You were questioned as to what action should be taken instead of incarceration. You said we should not incarcerate anyone.

You should go into politics.

If humans didn't intervene with natural selection then incarcerating wouldn't even exist, IMO.

Incarceration is a barrier to human evolution.

Like the poster above touched on about—you are basically #ed from the get go if you are caught breaking a human made law.
Human made laws have been a failure.

Survival is an essential part of life. Why advocate for regulating how humans survive?

Surely the Diabetic was unfit to survive without insulin?

I would advocate for regulating how humans survive because I am not young, foolish, inconsiderate or selfish.

To assure maximum survivability, we need to consider a balance between social responsibility and freedom.

At some stage in your life, you will not be the pinnacle 'fittest to survive'. You will age or get sick. Are you willing, then, to die to ensure an adequate rate of "human evolution"?

What happens in a world where a global natural disaster occurs and we don't cooperate to overcome the situation. Do we all die of stupidity in the name of "human evolution"? How would that "evolve" us?

originally posted by: eriktheawful
So basically you have been saying: let people kill, rape, pillage, destroy someones private property, etc, etc, etc.

Are you suggesting that incarceration has stopped those human actions? Quite the opposite.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Mass anarchy.

Says who? You? I highly doubt it.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
You do realize that one of the things that sets humans apart from all other wild life on this planet is: Rule Of Law.

And that does not make humans any more intelligent now does it? Look at the world today. Complete failure. Nuclear war any day now, millions still homeless and starving, and innocent people dying because of the US judicial system, like the innocent 27 year old diabetic deprived of insulin.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Being able to become aware of the idea of Right and Wrong was a big step in our evolutionary process. The idea that killing someone is wrong, and someone who does it without good reason should be punished, does not exist anywhere else here on Earth.

And yet, we are the only species that will kill without good reason. We have failed to become aware of this.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Being able to reason and to come up with abstract concepts like this was not a step backwards, but a huge leap forwards.

Really? I watched the president of the US say that North Korea might receive "fire and fury" like the world has never seen before. Does that include the killing of innocent people? I voted for that person so no bias here. He already has not lived up to his Cannabis remarks that he made in multiple live appearances.

Seems to me, that a bunch a ignorant lunatics run the governments around the world. Just an observation.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Without it, we would be nothing more than any other animal on this planet.

You mean without more cannabinoid receptors we would not be any different? That is what evolves CNS complexity on Earth, the endocannabinoid system. Not the two things you mentioned which are a result of that increased cannabinoid receptor density in the brains of humans.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
I asked what you think we should you. You neatly side stepped answering the question, which means you either think we should do nothing (anarchy), or you have no answer that you wish to give (either because you do not have an answer, or do not wish to reveal it for whatever reason).

I don't think one person should ever construct an answer that would impact millions of lives. I think an intelligent and modern human answer could be constructed through collaboration.
I merely said that the current failure, incarceration, will continue to be a failure. The first step is acknowledging and accepting failure.

a reply to: chr0naut

At some point in the past, those on a conspiracy website would have been sent to the gallows, burned as heretics, bound and quartered as insurrectionists, or simply thrown off a cliff for being possible witches and warlocks.

To consider the survivability of the society, you would most of certainly of been hanged.

At some point in the distant past, being fit for anything would have made you a slave or conscript that would likely die in battle at some point. Being old would have made you respect and safe.

Global disasters happen every day and we do not cooperate at all most of the time except on a very small scale and faux agencies like red cross that come to make the situation go from bad to hell. A situation as you speak of would likely end in people overcoming something alright, and that's the last few rounds you have guarding whatever rations you have left or you doing it to another person with a group. Since you say you are a seasoned individual, i'd say your evolutionary clock would be one of the first that such a society would deem not worthy of ticking.

originally posted by: SR1TX

Who brought the drugs in for the addicts? Who allows it to happen?

The prison employees are largely responsible for bringing in all the contraband into a prison population.
The prison authority allows it to happen.

a reply to: M4ngo

Who gets it into the country? Who makes it? Who has the Sat images showing we know who makes it and also allows it to get here?

originally posted by: SR1TX
a reply to: M4ngo

Who gets it into the country? Who makes it? Who has the Sat images showing we know who makes it and also allows it to get here?

Off topic, but there are plenty of examples available online demonstrating prison employees were the ones bringing in the contraband (drugs, cell phones, etc) into the prisons for the prison population.
Prisons are sinister and corrupt.
Doesn't matter who made it. Or where it came from. The prison employees bring it in. This isn't some big secret ya know.

a reply to: M4ngo

So you are like the Warren Commission on 9/11.

Does not matter who potentially funded 9/11, let's focus on Benny. Cute.

originally posted by: SR1TX
a reply to: chr0naut

At some point in the past, those on a conspiracy website would have been sent to the gallows, burned as heretics, bound and quartered as insurrectionists, or simply thrown off a cliff for being possible witches and warlocks.

To consider the survivability of the society, you would most of certainly of been hanged.

Nope. When I was young, there was no Internet, it was the 60's and everyone was an anarchist rebel, especially the ones everyone was copying.

They would have said to you, "Don't be the man, man".

At some point in the distant past, being fit for anything would have made you a slave or conscript that would likely die in battle at some point. Being old would have made you respect and safe.

Nope.

Global disasters happen every day and we do not cooperate at all most of the time except on a very small scale and faux agencies like red cross that come to make the situation go from bad to hell. A situation as you speak of would likely end in people overcoming something alright, and that's the last few rounds you have guarding whatever rations you have left or you doing it to another person with a group.

I have actually been through a number of natural disasters. You survive by cooperation and using your big evolved brain.

If you have a few rations, and you don't make any attempt to grow and farm food but just stand around 'guarding your stash' the food you have will go off or get consumed and you will absolutely starve and die.

Likewise, in a natural disaster, loading your guns and driving somewhere else (the classic disaster movie plot) is plain stupid. You'll eventually run out of petrol and ammo, it is 100% guaranteed. You'd do much better establishing food and water sources and a community of workers to get things done.

Since you say you are a seasoned individual, i'd say your evolutionary clock would be one of the first that such a society would deem not worthy of ticking.

I and my family would survive quite well. I know it from experience.

I also control and direct society around me. I'm a victor not a victim. If 'society' doesn't do what I want, i change it.

originally posted by: SR1TX
a reply to: M4ngo

So you are like the Warren Commission on 9/11.

Does not matter who potentially funded 9/11, let's focus on Benny. Cute.

For the most part gangs run prisons.

And no, I am not like the Warren Commission. These are actions that employees and officials conduct in. Prisons are largely stocked with meth. Meth can be made anywhere by pretty much anyone. What makes you think the meth in prisons is not made on this continent?

a reply to: chr0naut

You have not been through any disasters. Pics or BS.

a reply to: M4ngo

I don't really care what flavor of drug it is. The fact is when you have lost all hope, you will have no hope, and probably result to such things as meth in prison if it's your escape from reality. Does that make you a bad person even more so than the crime one might be there for? What good would staying clean do when society looks at felons anyway or those with any jail sentencing as criminals anyway?

Your argument and focus is a clear example of how utterly biased and dumb down society is.

originally posted by: chr0naut
I also control and direct society around me. I'm a victor not a victim. If 'society' doesn't do what I want, i change it.

You control and direct society around you?

Proof or BS.

originally posted by: SR1TX
a reply to: M4ngo

I don't really care what flavor of drug it is. The fact is when you have lost all hope, you will have no hope, and probably result to such things as meth in prison if it's your escape from reality. Does that make you a bad person even more so than the crime one might be there for? What good would staying clean do when society looks at felons anyway or those with any jail sentencing as criminals anyway?

Your argument and focus is a clear example of how utterly biased and dumb down society is.

Did I ever said taking drugs while in prison did make someone a bad person? No. Show me where I said that. You are very quick to make false accusations and insult people, I do see that.

You asked specific questions and I gave you some answers. What's your agenda?

originally posted by: SR1TX
a reply to: chr0naut

You have not been through any disasters. Pics or BS.

Course I have, floods, lots of bush fires, earthquakes and cyclones.

And there's this:

Lived through it!

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: chr0naut
I also control and direct society around me. I'm a victor not a victim. If 'society' doesn't do what I want, i change it.

You control and direct society around you?

Proof or BS.

I was one of less than 20 people who started a political party and that party has been in coalition government of my country, through several elections, since 2008.

You are democratically governed. Have you considered how few people it would take to change a law or to affect government? 11 people can get the quorum in the electoral college and 218 can elect a president.

You do realise that you have a voice in your society, don't you?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: M4ngo

Stealing, raping, murdering are all human constructs too.

And have been going on since before written history.

You propose that if we simply do nothing, that those things will go away?

Wow....

Where did I say do nothing?

You were questioned as to what action should be taken instead of incarceration. You said we should not incarcerate anyone.

You should go into politics.

Deflection seems quite the thing in journalism as well.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: chr0naut
I also control and direct society around me. I'm a victor not a victim. If 'society' doesn't do what I want, i change it.

You control and direct society around you?

Proof or BS.

I was one of less than 20 people who started a political party and that party has been in coalition government of my country, through several elections, since 2008.

You are democratically governed. Have you considered how few people it would take to change a law or to affect government? 11 people can get the quorum in the electoral college and 218 can elect a president.

You do realise that you have a voice in your society, don't you?

Then you, alone, do none of those things.

Human laws which govern societies have a history of being a failure and not in the best interests of positive progression.

I now want to remind you of MKUltra. US government, along with over 100 universities and institutions, prisons, the FDA, and domestic and foreign entities and pharmaceutical corporations conducted experiemmts on the society.

You are defending this very same corrupt system.

The current status quo = failure