FBI Raided Manaforts House

originally posted by: ElBori

Quite the contrary.

I'd wager there is a wealth of shadiness and illegality surrounding Trump Enterprises.

From the Dossier:
Source E said he understood that the Republican candidate and his team
were relatively relaxed about this because it deflected media and the
Democrats' attention away from TRUMP's business dealings in China and
other emerging markets. Unlike in Russia, these were substantial and
involved the payment of large bribes and kickbacks which, were they to
become public, would be potentially very damaging to their campaign.

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: JoshuaCox

When all this is done will you be this positive Trump is guilty . If you have no issue with an all out war to take out a elected President , I feel sorry for you .

A few items...

1) Russian influence in the election will NEVER be fully quantified. It could be ZERO or it could have been SUBSTANTIAL.
It DOES NOT MATTER NOW.
Trump was elected under the system we have. He is rightly President.

2) If he or his associates broke the law, conspired or colluded with a foreign government hostile to US interests...Then he or whoever else is proved guilty should be impeached or prosecuted to the fullest extent of the US Justice System.

3) If Trump or associates violated laws that any other US citizen would be prosecuted for...Bribery, Corruption, Money Laundering...they should also be prosecuted.

Removing Nixon from office was NOT "an all out war to take out a elected President"...

It was JUSTICE for the American People and preserving our democracy.

The Judicial Oath that each Justice is required to swear:

“I, ___ ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as ___ under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”

Trump and crew do not get a pass..

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: 10uoutlaw

how about we just leave hillary out of this???
just hope and pray that pence has managed to stay out of this mess..
then if they find that trump is dirty, they can impeach him and pence can take over...
I really don't like pence but at this point, I think he would be a massive improvement compared to what we have..

Agreed on all fronts.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: shooterbrody

Uh financial record raids in a massive counter Intel and criminal investigation?

Usually weeks or months the while they sift through the info and then try and leverage a testimony exchange for lighter sentencing.

So I don't think this was a "FBI" raid.
I think the FBI was acting on a subpoena from the grand jury for documents from Manafort; which is completely different than the msm spin that "the fbi raided manaforts home in a pre dawn raid today".
If they are still searching for documents then at this point they have nothing, otherwise there is no need to search.
If Manafort is dumb enough to keep incriminating documents in his home he deserves to be thrown in jail for stupidity.
If they are still searching on Manafort(which the raid with no arrest proves they are) then they have nothing at all on POTUS.
Exactly what kind of "investigation" has been going on for the past year as revealed by Comey?

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: diggindirt

Excellent point. The first amendment is solidly on Trump's side. Information is a form of free speech, and if you try to ban information from foreign sources, you run into the first amendment.

You seem bizarrely unaware of what espionage or treason means.

If it turned out that the Steele Dossier wasn't fake*** , would anyone here argue that the Clinton campaign had no right to use it because it came from a foreign source? I doubt it.

The Clinton Campaign did not use it.

And information contracted from a foreign researcher is not the same as...how did Don Jr's email put it?..."part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump".

*** It is; its own author has admitted it's just a collection of unsubstantiated rumors he collected off the internet.

You apparently are misinformed or lying..can you clarify?

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Sillyolme


wake the f up , both sides are crooks including the clintons. this raid is no more embarrassing or as digraceful than a married president getting sucked by an intern and putting cigars where they dont belong.

???

Neither are admirable, but one speaks to a personal failing and the other is a literal threat to our free democracy.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Neither are admirable, but one speaks to a personal failing and the other is a literal threat to our free democracy.

Starting an investigation into a real estate deal and ending up in the oval office with a lie about sex with an intern didn't threaten our democracy?

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: Sillyolme

Someone needs to appoint a special prosecutor to get rid of a whole bunch of morons . enjoy your day

Mueller might get that done as well.

There are a couple of questionable folks in Congress when it comes to Russia.

Though it doesn't get much buzz, Congressional emails were targets of Russia as well. Rubio has publicly explained his personal and congressional emails were are target. That is significant because Rubio was an outspoken early critic of easing sanctions on Russia. That means the FSB was looking for "Kompramat" on Rubio to get him to play ball...but apparently were not successful. It is possible they had success with other members of congress, found someone having an affair or taking illicit contributions and used the information as leverage. It will be interesting to see if Mueller uncovers anything in that regard.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: interupt42

Maybe they can get them both and we can bring libs and conservatives bsck together to pass some bipartisan things that won't be taken apart every 4 or 8 years when the opposition gains control.

First up...Healthcare...It needs fixing....and neither extreme has a solution that works thus far...mostly because things like cancer and car accidents don't have a (R) or a (D) beside them.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Sillyolme

I think they said she wouldn't be prosecuted, and after comey explained lynch telling him what to say it seems pretty clear what he meant by nobody would prosecute.

The law by which Clinton could have been prosecuted only had 1 successful prosecution in the past 100 years...and it was a much, much stronger case.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
How often do fbi pre dawn raids end with no one arrested?
A pre dawn raid that ends with no charges is a failure isnt it?

They often end with sweaty guy sitting in his living room saying "I am willing to make a deal" while the FBI carts out boxes.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Sure, if that helps you sleep at night...

I posted my opinion.
If they had anything they would have arrested him, they don't and are fishing which is why they left him at home.
Oh and if Manafort is in with the russian mafia like many here claim, there is no way he is scared of the fbi. He would have embraced the fbi already and been in the witness protection program somewhere.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

Neither are admirable, but one speaks to a personal failing and the other is a literal threat to our free democracy.

Starting an investigation into a real estate deal and ending up in the oval office with a lie about sex with an intern didn't threaten our democracy?

As much as I disagreed strongly with the GOP political tactic at the time...No.

Pres. Clinton should not have lied...and under oath...he deserved to be hammered for it.

He did not deserve to be impeached, that was over-reach by the GOP, but it did fail.

Congress could impeach Trump today for anything..passing gas in the Oval Office...or they could let him slide on outright proven crimes...It is the way it works.

Presidents are both immune and extremely vulnerable. It is the genius of our founders.

Sidenote: Kenneth Starr's #2 investigator/counsel in the Bill Clinton investigation? Kelly-Anne Conways husband. He even filed a brief with the SCOTUS that Presidents should not be immune from prosecution...but SCOTUS did not take up the case.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus


If they had anything they would have arrested him

Listen to any of the dozens of former FBI or Justice officials on any network explain the strategy.
They look to move up the food chain. Corner one conspirator and make them give up others.
It is not exotic. It is FBI 101.

Oh and if Manafort is in with the russian mafia like many here claim

His own daughters...His own daughters said he was corrupt and in cahoots with Russia...in hacked and leaked text messages.

there is no way he is scared of the fbi.

Sidenote: The FBI have been "interested in" Manafort since at least 2014 when Ukraine government Officials complained he was a tool of Russia and messing with their elections.

He is also a snake...he will give up a lot of people before he will do a stint in federal Prison at his age.

He would have embraced the fbi already and been in the witness protection program somewhere.

Where is Paul Manafort? Anyone seen him since the raid?

I doubt they have him in Witness Protection, but I suspect they do have an FBI escort nearby...Interesting though.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: yuppa

Speak for yourself. My mother did an excellent job. Go ahead and say she didn't. I dare you.

I didnt mention your mother or you specifically. when i say Democrat always assume i mean washington otherwise.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Not sure what the ?? Is for ?
But
The cigar incidemt was in reference to what bill clinton did with monica lewinsky while in office and married to hillary.

Both party are one in the same besides rhetoric and both work for the lobbiest.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Pres. Clinton should not have lied...and under oath...he deserved to be hammered for it. He did not deserve to be impeached, that was over-reach by the GOP, but it did fail.

So which is it?
How do you "hammer" a sitting potus without impeaching him?

a reply to: soberbacchus

Listen to any of the dozens of former FBI or Justice officials on any network explain the strategy. They look to move up the food chain. Corner one conspirator and make them give up others. It is not exotic. It is FBI 101.

By letting him walk free?
yeah that sure puts the pressure on him....

a reply to: Sillyolme

Go ahead and say she didn't. I dare you.

She didn't

Or are you starting to worry you backed the wrong horse?

Who is in the White House again?

Muellers reputation speaks for itself. And I hate to point out the obvious but so does trumps. Who do you think is better? Who do you think the people will trust? We both know the answer to that.

Most people are idiots and believe anything and everything the MSM tells them. Case and point.

Mueller is fishing and quite possibly over stepping his bounds. Keep wringing your hands, it's going to be a long 7 years for you.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

Listen to any of the dozens of former FBI or Justice officials on any network explain the strategy. They look to move up the food chain. Corner one conspirator and make them give up others. It is not exotic. It is FBI 101.

By letting him walk free?
yeah that sure puts the pressure on him....

I am confused by the things you claim.

What makes you think he is "walking free"?

Has the Special Counsel announced they are not pressing charges?

Or is it your expectation that the Special Counsel would announce he is a cooperating witness?

What do you base your conclusion on?