Desperate Trump comes begging to Democrats to help him notch a win on tax reform

a reply to: olaru12

Why do they title articles like this? "Desperate Trump comes begging..."

It literally tells people that it's a biased article and a biased article is pointless to write/read.

Give me impartial reporting or give me Trump tweets!

OP, you just demonstrated exactly what is wrong with political commentary.

The Whitehouse reaches out to the opposition party to try and do something that works for both sides of the political divide and your response is to create a hit piece thread.

That's pretty sad, actually. Hopefully the people elected to serve can be more objective than you.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: olaru12

If John McCain makes a speech encouraging bipartisanship, it's a great beautiful thing.

If Trump does it, it's frowned on?

Does this clear the air a little? Maybe see the reason he was elected?

All those guys are elected, and more than most others, have a need to know what works and what doesn't.
All the economic agenda is fraught with ifs and buts, while taxation reform, infrastructure, care and all the rest, (including that stupid wall that Trump isn't worried about so much) are a huge part of the economics, and not only that, remedies are extremely urgent. That means something has to give, and that's likely the parts that working people will like least to fund in a huuuge way, and while it inevitably means even those employed now could still lose jobs to superior industrial techniques, they still, when they are working, will pay higher taxes, probably a lot more, and plus there are those peripheral problems where jobs are only being filled by immigrants, because there is no local enthusiasm to do those jobs.
Trouble is, Trump in his campaign promised an Eldorado scenario, that everything would be hunky dory in no time at all...IOW, impossible, but people fell for it, and already they are complaining.
So, while I am no particular fan of politicians in general, I can easily see why capitol hill is taking the softly softly approach to all things Trump thus far, lest he ruins the country completely, before he goes home with a huge wad of taxpayers money.

"Desperate Trump comes begging to Democrats to help him notch a win on tax reform"

Interesting way to frame it.

Without actually reading it, it seems that it could have been framed as 'Trump reaches out to Democrat's for yada yada', no?

Gotta work that divisiveness into every possible angle of every twist and turn, ya?

I mean there's Criticism, and then there's just good old plain Provocation. Each of which are warranted from time to time. But what we should ask ourselves at every intersection is is either warranted and why.

Why does the left care about tax reform anyway?They were willing to elect Hrc even after she promised to raise everyone's taxes during the campaign..

It's not a bad thing to reach out to the Dems, I just don't see it going anywhere.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: olaru12
www.rawstory.com...

Working with Republicans in Congress has proved fruitless for President Donald Trump’s agenda. In the wake of multiple failures, it seems the White House is turning to Democrats for help.

White House officials have reached out to 15 to 20 centrist House Democrats since the early summer to find a middle path on tax reform. The members of the Blue Dog Coalition met with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, chief economic adviser Gary Cohn and top White House staff, all while Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was promising the bill would be a partisan one.

www.politico.com...


I don't think Trumps neo trickle down economic package is going to find much support from the democrats or many Republicans with the 18 elections coming up. I expect some very drastic changes to get anything passed.

I thought reaching across the aisle was supposed to be a good thing? He isn't getting any help from Republicans in Congress because a large percentage of them are RINO establishment.

Trump is a third party candidate. Establishment RINOs hate him just as much as democrats.

The sad thing is that Republicans keep winning elections putting forth an agenda that they are unwilling to actually vote on. They should have no fear with elections. However, if they refuse to do what they said they were going to do, then I will be taking my vote elsewhere.

Bernie would be having the same issues except from left.

Well said and I agree. Third party anyone?

I don't see anyone saying bipartisanship is a bad thing. What I do see is people laughing at the fact that Trump is forced to extend an olive branch to the Dems after hearing for months (not necessarily from Trump) that the Dems are obsolete and that Trump will be able to get whatever he wants.

Right after the election I said that the only way for Trump to succeed is if he reaches across the aisle. I got slammed by Trump's supporters for even suggesting such a thing. Even recently we saw Trump's supporters turn their nose up at bipartisanship when the Dems were willing to compromise on healthcare.

Funny how all of a sudden bipartisanship is the greatest thing in the world and it's 100% the Dems' fault for it not happening sooner.

a reply to: scojak

You mean the same type of articles that Trump and his base are constantly quoting as fact? HAHHA. Double standards abound with the cult. All that a halfway intelligent person would need to do is some simple research to prove or deny something. When watching politicians speak I tend to google their claims and see what is a lie or somewhat truthful. All politicians lie. Fake news is destroying our nations credibility!

a reply to: Xcalibur254

so reading the title of the thread and article didn't clue you in at all as to the tone of the message?
wow, I have no response.

So he reaches across the aisle and the first thing the left says is this...."Desperate Trump comes begging to Democrats to help him notch a win on tax reform"

Sheesh people, haven't you put enough butt balm on yet??

Go figure....

a reply to: network dude

The tone I'm getting is not that Trump reaching across the aisle is wrong. The tone I'm getting is one of mockery because Trump was forced to come to the Dems with hand in hand after him, his supporters, and the GOP have spent months gloating over how they don't need them. The message I get is, "Look who's come crawling back." Just because the Dems are gloating over the fact that Trump was forced to come crawling to them doesn't also mean that they think he's wrong for doing so.

Who’s frowning on it? Trump should make his bipartisan move and see what he offers. The problem may be that all he’s offering is a tax cut for the rich.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Even worse, they act like we don't notice they're only interested in "bipartisanship" when it's solely for their benefit.

They don't care one bit about bipartisanship when they're attacking things that are important to the Left, like transgender citizens in the military, sanctuary cities, the Muslim immigration ban, federal judge nominations, or when they're appointing far right lunatics like Sessions and Bannon to federal positions, etc. But once they can't get their own party to pass something, they suddenly pretend that they care about working with us. LOL All they want are our votes.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: olaru12
www.rawstory.com...

Working with Republicans in Congress has proved fruitless for President Donald Trump’s agenda. In the wake of multiple failures, it seems the White House is turning to Democrats for help.

White House officials have reached out to 15 to 20 centrist House Democrats since the early summer to find a middle path on tax reform. The members of the Blue Dog Coalition met with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, chief economic adviser Gary Cohn and top White House staff, all while Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was promising the bill would be a partisan one.

www.politico.com...


I don't think Trumps neo trickle down economic package is going to find much support from the democrats or many Republicans with the 18 elections coming up. I expect some very drastic changes to get anything passed.

I thought reaching across the aisle was supposed to be a good thing? He isn't getting any help from Republicans in Congress because a large percentage of them are RINO establishment.

Trump is a third party candidate. Establishment RINOs hate him just as much as democrats.

The sad thing is that Republicans keep winning elections putting forth an agenda that they are unwilling to actually vote on. They should have no fear with elections. However, if they refuse to do what they said they were going to do, then I will be taking my vote elsewhere.

Bernie would be having the same issues except from left.

What we are learning, the lesson we should take from this, is that
the president isn't the problem and none of them ever have been.
We need to all start paying more attention to the congress. We need
the congressional elections to get as much air time as the presidential
ones. It is becoming obvious that it is more important to vote for our
congress persons than it is to vote for a president.

ballotpedia.org...

I'm already paying more attention to the elections than I am about anything trump is saying.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: olaru12
www.rawstory.com...

Working with Republicans in Congress has proved fruitless for President Donald Trump’s agenda. In the wake of multiple failures, it seems the White House is turning to Democrats for help.

White House officials have reached out to 15 to 20 centrist House Democrats since the early summer to find a middle path on tax reform. The members of the Blue Dog Coalition met with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, chief economic adviser Gary Cohn and top White House staff, all while Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was promising the bill would be a partisan one.

www.politico.com...


I don't think Trumps neo trickle down economic package is going to find much support from the democrats or many Republicans with the 18 elections coming up. I expect some very drastic changes to get anything passed.

I thought reaching across the aisle was supposed to be a good thing? He isn't getting any help from Republicans in Congress because a large percentage of them are RINO establishment.

Trump is a third party candidate. Establishment RINOs hate him just as much as democrats.

The sad thing is that Republicans keep winning elections putting forth an agenda that they are unwilling to actually vote on. They should have no fear with elections. However, if they refuse to do what they said they were going to do, then I will be taking my vote elsewhere.

Bernie would be having the same issues except from left.

What we are learning, the lesson we should take from this, is that
the president isn't the problem and none of them ever have been.
We need to all start paying more attention to the congress. We need
the congressional elections to get as much air time as the presidential
ones. It is becoming obvious that it is more important to vote for our
congress persons than it is to vote for a president.

ballotpedia.org...

I'm already paying more attention to the elections than I am about anything trump is saying.

I agree. Unfortunately, the congressman/senators have set the system up so it is difficult to get rid of them. I started a thread a while ago that stated one of the weaknesses of our system is that voters can't get rid of politicians in other districts.

For example, here in IL, our Speaker of the House, Mike Madigan has ruled the state senate for like 40 years. He has run the state into the ground. He gets elected by a small district with like 20,000 votes. No one has been able to get this creep out of office as he has his district locked down. You see the same thing with congress and senators where incumbents make it almost impossible to win by gerrymandering, etc. It really is sad as this corruption is really harming our system and country.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Even worse, they act like we don't notice they're only interested in "bipartisanship" when it's solely for their benefit.

They don't care one bit about bipartisanship when they're attacking things that are important to the Left, like transgender citizens in the military, sanctuary cities, the Muslim immigration ban, federal judge nominations, or when they're appointing far right lunatics like Sessions and Bannon to federal positions, etc. But once they can't get their own party to pass something, they suddenly pretend that they care about working with us. LOL All they want are our votes.

I know right, them, they, "those people". What a bunch of .....wait, what do you mean by "they"?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

It's nice to know you disassociate yourself from the idiotic article and OP. Thanks for being a realist.

a reply to: network dude

Context is golden. Clearly I'm talking about Republicans. Maybe you should read the post I replied to, then reread mine. Then you won't have to ask silly questions like that.

a reply to: olaru12

I find it hard to believe that Trump will have trouble passing Tax Cuts, especially when they reward the Rich most of all.

Repubs love Tax cuts for the Rich and so do many sell out Dems.

This should pass like gas after a taco bell binge.