Trump pushes immigratin reform to move America to a merit points based system

Canada does it. Australia does it. Last I checked, both are some of the most liberal countries in the world. The idea is good. Democrats oppose it only because they don't want to see Republicans accomplish anything that benefits the American people. Personally, I think it's a good idea. America is already over populated. America should not accept immigrants who do not speak English. If America is to have immigrants come it, they should be qualified immigrants who do not need to rely on welfare to survive.

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a reply to: allsee4eye

I don't necessarily have a problem with a merit based system, but cutting the number of legal immigrants down by half is stupid and not something I agree with. Reducing the number of legal immigrants was not what I had in mind when I suggested that we needed to overhaul legal immigration.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Contrary to report, it wouldn't cut legal immigration numbers. There are plenty of qualified people applying to immigrate to the US. These are mostly Europeans. The problem now is there are too many immigrants coming to America and they don't speak English so they cannot work and live off welfare to survive.

And then they cannot afford health insurance which they have to get for free under ACA and insurance companies have to insure them and since they can't pay for that insurance companies have to go to the president to get paid.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Contrary to what report? It's literally in the first sentence of the article you posted in the OP.

President Donald Trump announced his support Wednesday for legislation that would cut in half the number of legal immigrants allowed into the United States while moving to a "merit-based" system of entry.

a reply to: allsee4eye


There is another thread pretty much the same just a few down from this. The point I was trying to make there is that in the past when people came to this country, they were required to take the constitution test in ENGLISH and also had to take ENGLISH classes. It is crazy how many people live in LA and speak 0 English! Let alone know the constitution.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Just because quality of immigrants are increased, doesn't mean immigration numbers will be reduced. The reports make a predication. No one can know the future. There are many Europeans who want to immigrate to America and their places get taken by Mexicans who don't speak English. Under a merit based system, only people who speak English can immigrate, so Europeans would take the place of Mexicans. There would not be a reduction in immigration numbers unless Trump lowers the immigration quota.

We do understand that refugees, people forced out of their country by war - - are in a different class.

Right?

Just trying to clarify.

a reply to: Annee

The bill aims to reduce refugees to at most 50,000 a year.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Why are you arguing with your own source? Your source is plain as day that this will reduce total legal immigration numbers by half. There is no reasoning in your article saying that the reduction will be because of a reduction in qualified applicants. Other sources I'm reading on this are saying the same thing. One of the RAISE act's policies is to reduce legal immigration numbers. Did you not read your own source?

Well here's WaPo saying the same thing

President Trump on Wednesday endorsed a new bill in the Senate aimed at slashing legal immigration levels over a decade, a goal Trump endorsed on the campaign trail that would represent a profound change to U.S. immigration policies that have been in place for half a century.

Trump appeared with Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.) and David Perdue (Ga.) at the White House to unveil a modified version of a bill the senators first introduced in April to cut immigration by half from the current level of more than 1 million green cards per year granting foreigners permanent legal residence in the United States.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Annee

The bill aims to reduce refugees to at most 50,000 a year.

OK.

I'm just trying to fully understand.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no reduction in immigration quota. They say it cuts numbers by half. No one knows if it will. Even if it does. Not a problem. America's problem is not lack of people, it's lack of resources.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Prove it. Everything I've read, including the things you've posted, have said the exact opposite.

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: allsee4eye


There is another thread pretty much the same just a few down from this. The point I was trying to make there is that in the past when people came to this country, they were required to take the constitution test in ENGLISH and also had to take ENGLISH classes. It is crazy how many people live in LA and speak 0 English! Let alone know the constitution.

No offense but that is the most sensible thing I have ever seen you post.
100% agree with you on that.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

They can predict the Sun will explode tomorrow for all I care. Predictions are predictions. Predictions don't make the future come true.

a reply to: allsee4eye

That isn't proof of what you are saying. You keep using the word "prediction", but I have yet to see someone say that the reduction is a prediction except you. Seriously, post a source that shows this is a prediction. This is getting ridiculous because you are coming off like you don't even read the sources you post.

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: allsee4eye


There is another thread pretty much the same just a few down from this. The point I was trying to make there is that in the past when people came to this country, they were required to take the constitution test in ENGLISH and also had to take ENGLISH classes. It is crazy how many people live in LA and speak 0 English! Let alone know the constitution.

Yet if you were born here you don't EVER have to take an English or a civics class to be in this country. There are native born citizens who have the civics knowledge of a toad and speak such awful English that it might as well be a different language, and I'd be willing to bet they outnumber the immigrants who can't speak English and have poor civics education.

I don't personally have a problem with the idea either - it would benefit America, I believe.

The only argument here is, "The American Dream". With this you can't come here to succeed...you will have had to already achieved at least a certain level of success in life. If you're destitute and uneducated - you can't come here.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No one knows the future except God. God can travel back and forth through time. Mortals cannot. If they say it will cut immigration by half. So be it. But don't try acting like prophets. Even if it does cut immigration by half, I say about time. If America's population growth is not curbed and continues to grow like Syria does, then war would happen when resources run short.

a reply to: allsee4eye

What the # are you talking about? I'm just going off of the text of the article you posted which clearly says that immigration levels will be cut in half. It isn't given as an estimate. It is given as a definitive division problem. The article doesn't say it is a prediction or estimate of reduced numbers. It says that is the additional goal alongside of introducing a merit based system.

If America's population growth is not curbed and continues to grow like Syria does, then war would happen when resources run short.

What kind of malarky is this? Our country has more than enough room to fit 10's of millions more people in the country. If we wanted to, we could house the whole world's population in the state of Texas.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I hope they are paying taxes on what they earn. Making them legal could save millions. Ofcourse illegal is illegal. One way or another something needs done.