Jihadi knife rampage in Hamburg supermarket

originally posted by: starviego
Some more details being released:

www.n-tv.de...
--According to police, the suspect is a 26 year old born in the United Arab Emirates.
--The newspaper "Tagesspiegel" reported that the suspect was known to the police as an 'Islamist.'
--Multiple witnesses claimed the suspect yelled out "Allahu akbar" during the attack.
--Police corrected the first accounts, that reported a second attacker was being sought who is alleged to have hid out in Fuhlsbütteler Street, near the attack site.

Thx, while writing and drinking some coffee i didn´t check anything anymore.
That he was migrant was more than clear, you should have watched the videos, the interviews of the eyewitnesses. It is a multiculti quarter, many migrants, many blackhaired and even blackskinned people in the background on the market.

Not hard to guess that the attacker there was a migrant.

And again, no evidence that anybody yelled Allahu Akbar(according to the official police spokesman). And the alleged second attacker theory was dismissed hours ago, here in germany, according to the news here.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
I am not following your meaning very well I'm afraid, but your attempt to discuss this complex subject in a language that seems not to be your first is very good and I appreciate it.

I can only really speak from my own experience and their are as many different reasons for downplaying the Islamic threat, as there are for overplaying it. One reason, which is far from the only one, is the possibility of retaliatory acts by vigilantes. I hope that goes someway to answering your question.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

I am sorry, but sometimes i want to say someting like i would say it in german, and it is not easy to translate complex german into english, sometimes. I even use Linguee for the missing words... xD

I have to ask my buddy the next time i see him, what kind of terror attacks are prevented most, but stay hidden for the public. Only thing i know is, that he works against rightwinger extermism/terrorism there. I have to ask him why he never said which kind of terror attacks(religious, right- or leftwing, or whatever) are allegedly prevented that often.

And what their reasons are to not go public with all those allegedly prevented terror attacks and why they don´t use those allegedly successful prevented attacks to make the people feel more secure than they feel now(some of them, only a few are feared in reality of muslim terror, here in germany. We have real problems that hit us everyday, all of us, and that are nor muslim terror attacks)?

If i would be the "allmighty protector", i would go public with every successful prevented terror attack. Just to show how good my agencies work. And that the big brother measures really are FOR the people, and not against them. And why all that big brother stuuf really is necessary. Maybe even people, that think like me, would rethink everything again then.

But this doesn´t happen, somehow. We only hear about the prominent MSM terror attacks, that only could happen because of "flops, failures and fumbles" of "our protectors", which get rewarded with more anti democratic rights, more money, more power for the growing surveillance- and police state, after every single of their fails. That doesn´t raise the trust of the people in "our protectors".

Why do average people know the term "false flag attack" nowadays?
Before ten, twenty years nobody except some "conspiracy theorists" knew this term...

You are right, retaliatory acts could be one reason.
Another one could be that "they" don´t want to fear the people too much.
But wait, we all know that "they" only are able to rule because the people live in steady fear.
Hmmm...

There is absolutely no need for you to apologise. You do yourself a great deal of credit with your posting in a second language.

There is a paradox that the security services face that is not easy for me to explain, but I will give it a try. Suppose your a chief of a government security agency and the time for ministers to review your department's funding has arrived.

Now to keep your funding at its current level you have to convince the ministers that you are doing a good job of making the finance work efficiently, but at the same time get them to understand that the threat is big and you need a real terms increase in funding to continue keeping the country safe.

The ministers may well say that if you can't keep us safe with what we give you, you are obviously not doing your job efficiently, and you find yourself looking for another job. Then bear in mind about the danger of retaliatory vigilante attacks if you overplay the threat. That is just one of the many scenarios that play out in the defence and security field.

Anyway my friend it is Friday evening and it is time for Pizza and alcohol, and I never use the internet when I am drinking. I wish you a good evening.

a reply to: starviego

Meh, it is just the new normal in Britain, France, Germany, and Sweden. It will doubtless be the "new normal" in the US before long. I'm somewhat surprised they even report these events anymore.

originally posted by: [post=22502610]TacSite18[/post

Pretty much fear porn, and it also inspires certain folks to get a reaffirmation of their world view. Note that this stuff was not posted, much less mentioned:
This is something to be afraid of, and you don't have to go to Europe to get it:

HALF MOON BAY — One man is dead and another is in custody following a fight near Fernandez Park inHalf Moon Bay, the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office said. Deputies were called at 7 p.m. Thursday to the 800 block of Main Street after the report of a fight. They found two men on the ground in front of a residence with “visible injuries,” said Detective Sal Zuno. Zuno said one man was bleeding heavily from a stab wound to his neck. Sheriff’s deputies and Cal Fire personnel gave him CPR for a “significant amount of time,” but he died at the scene. The second man was taken into custody. Neither of their names was released and it wasn’t immediately clear what they were fighting about, but Zuno said both men were in their 50s.

Source

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Police are looking for an assailant and witnesses after an attack left two men injured in a shooting and possible stabbing overnight in downtown Salt Lake City. Salt Lake police Lt. Dave Cracroft tells KSL-TV that officers responding to reports of gunfire on West North Temple found a man with a gunshot wound a few blocks west of Interstate 15. He was taken to Intermountain Medical Center in critical condition. Cracroft says another man with an apparent stab wound was admitted in serious condition after he was driven by friends to a nearby hospital.Police questioned a man found running from the shooting scene, but Cracroft says he's an apparent witness and not the assailant.

Source
Or that no one ever mentions that 35, 000 Americans died from firearms last year.
Google "how many people got shot today," and keep up with all the really exciting statistics!
Toll for the last 72 hours: 91 Citizens of the US have died in gun violence, and 178 injured!
Place you bets now for who will win the big news poll tomorrow - a single crazy guy in Europe who is a Muslim, or the roughly 1,000 or so Americans who will try, with great overall success, to kill their fellow Americans?



Jeepers Creepers, 91 people in 72 measly hours more than 1 an hour (put them guns down please!! no sarcasm), maybe because Americans have been killing each other for so long they get bored reporting it

The news has to be shocking like any other TV to grab the watchers attention

a reply to: CulturalResilience

so then normal daily acts of violence and murder is a step below acts of violence done for political reasons?? Interesting, since the normal daily acts of violence by Christian Americans (or those in name only) claim far more victims annually than Islamic terrorism. I am curious by this viewpoint.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: starviego

Meh, it is just the new normal in Britain, France, Germany, and Sweden. It will doubtless be the "new normal" in the US before long. I'm somewhat surprised they even report these events anymore.

these incidents get reported because its rare and the uneducated far right lap it up saying 'it happens everyday!' so it shifts copy and gets easy hits for breitbart and the like.

a reply to: growler

It most certainly doesn't happen every day however, it sure as hell isn't "rare".

a reply to: tribal

Well the crowd tracked the perp jihadi down and captured him. Next time they should have a women kill him with pork bones.

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: tribal

Well the crowd tracked the perp jihadi down and captured him. Next time they should have a women kill him with pork bones.

The guy who tackled the perp was a Turkish guy, according to an eyewitness. Germans themselves don't have the balls to do that kind of stuff.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
has the "not related to terrorism" lie been broadcasted yet?
a reply to: pavil

Lone, unemployed, mentally disturbed "refugee" is the standard line is it not? How the Germans have not locked up Merkel is beyond me.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
. And the alleged second attacker theory was dismissed hours ago, here in germany, according to the news here.

Which, under the "don't believe anything until it's been officially denied" rule, means there probably was a second attacker.

originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: tribal

Well the crowd tracked the perp jihadi down and captured him. Next time they should have a women kill him with pork bones.

The guy who tackled the perp was a Turkish guy, according to an eyewitness. Germans themselves don't have the balls to do that kind of stuff.

They have been castrated after WWII. Soon they will wake up hopefully. Have lots of friends over there.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Or you could use Occam's Razor.......... Next you'll say the German Govt programed him ala MKULTRA to do it. Some things are simpler than convulated rationales.

originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: tribal

Well the crowd tracked the perp jihadi down and captured him. Next time they should have a women kill him with pork bones.

The guy who tackled the perp was a Turkish guy, according to an eyewitness. Germans themselves don't have the balls to do that kind of stuff.

First of all, good morning alltogether, i had to leave last night, because somebody visited me.
And no, as i know it were arabic guys, and one of those "castrated" germans, i have got his eyetwitness report, together with the video of him and the guys of arabic origin, chasing the lunatic, throwing chairs, stones, poles and stuff at the attacker.

I am sorry, but you will have to use a translator for the eyewitness report of the german barber, Sönke Weber:

"Sie warfen und schlugen mit Stühlen, Steinen und Stangen: Mit allen verfügbaren Mitteln haben Passanten versucht, den Messerstecher in Hamburg-Barmbek zu stoppen. Sönke Weber war einer von ihnen - ein Augenzeugenbericht."

Here is the video:


In the videos, no Allahu Akbar. In the eye- and earwitness report, no Allahu Akbar.
Another, longer one, same scene:


Some snippets of the article:

"Zu diesem Zeitpunkt wussten sie nicht, dass Ahmad A. Kontakte in die salafistische Szene hat und offenbar auch unter psychischen Problemen litt und regelmäßig Drogen konsumierte."

So, the attacker was a regular drug user that also had mental problems!

"Immer wieder haben die anderen Verfolger ihn auf Arabisch aufgefordert, das Messer niederzulegen", sagte Weber. "Ich habe kein Wort von dem verstanden, was er gesagt hat, ich kann kein Arabisch."

Here he says that the persecutors talked to the knife-wielding lunatic in arabic, not turkish.

And that´s for those that say now:
Typical foreigners, typical migrants, typical muslims...

Watch the videos again, it´s the same foreigners, migrants, muslims, blackhaired, blackskinned german citizens that stopped the attacker(together with some "bio-germans")!

Islam is a religion of peace - go about your business as usual.

And repeat.

Some bits of info from the german press:

- the attacker was a refugee in germany.
- born in the arab emirates, nationality unknown
- should have been deported (Ausreisepflichtig) but they did not deport him, because he has no papers
- known connections to Salafists (extremist moslems)
- psycho and drug user

source: Die Welt

One of the many cases in germany with the same history of the attacker. Known to police, on the deportation list but still gets paid by gov and roams free.

This has to stop. It's time to drastically change the asylum politics and start to protect the german population.

I found that ONE!, only one eye/earwitness report where the witness says that the attacker yelled Allahu Akbar. He seems to be a muslim too, if i listen to how he pronounces the term Allahu Akbar(0,43, my personal opinion!):


At that time there is a sign displayed in the video, saying that there has been no confirmation for this statement.

Something i didn´t mention yesterday: I could see live reports showing anti-terror(?) stormtroopers in the background, and seconds later they showed an interview with Zill, the police spokesman, saying that there is no evidence for an terror attack and that they research into all directions now. Can´t find exactly that video, found another one, thought it would be the same taken from another angle, but here he says nothing about no evidence for a terror attack, like i saw and heard on N-TV yesterday:


It seems to me that we see different cuts of the same video and that different news agencies report different things. Fist the incident is not terror related, some hours later, or on another news channel, you hear the exact opposite. It might be a difference if it is Springer owned N-24 or RTL owned N-TV...

There is a press conference right now, will isten to it first now, but they talk about mental problems and his drug addiction.

And, who wonders, he was known to the "anti-terror" officials, as i hear now.

Will be back later!

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: CulturalResilience

so then normal daily acts of violence and murder is a step below acts of violence done for political reasons?? Interesting, since the normal daily acts of violence by Christian Americans (or those in name only) claim far more victims annually than Islamic terrorism. I am curious by this viewpoint.

Wether deliberate or otherwise, this is a complete misrepresentation of my reply to you. I never claimed Christians did not commit acts of violence. I said that many more acts of terrorist violence are carried out in the name of Islam in the modern era, than are carried out in the name of Christianity.

Press conference (in german) Live
NDR

a reply to: svetlana84
The german population could be protected, but there are so many "flops, failures and fumbles" of the anti-terror officials, "our protectors", when it comes to muslim(no other) terror attacks. Done by attackers that were on the lists of the "anti-terror" agencies, known to "our protectors".

It seems that if you want to become a successful terrorist in germany, you have to put yourself on the radar of the "anti-terror" forces, and you will succeed! Otherwise you will be caught before, or whatever.

But if "our protectors" have an eye on the terrorists, these terrorists seem to be untouchable, till they did their attack.
Just coincidences?

Or a tool? To change the peoples minds, from average to more right, maybe?

Damn, i have to leave for some hours now...