Britain to ban Diesel and Petrol vehicles by 2040

23 years to upgrade the infrastructure, that is doable yall are in a much better position to do so than the US, until the mileage on those things is in excess of 300 miles it will not work in America.

Plus your infrastructure is in much better shape than ours.



Hope it works out well.

a reply to: skunkape23

just put a paper and graphene battery in your bike ,robert murray smith has already proven it outlasts lithium and shows how to make your own.

what is even more remarkable about his batteries they are safe for the environment with no hazard at all ,being they are paper ,graphene and the electrolytes are friendly to the environment and natural to.

we have been conned.

As far as I can see, it's only the sale of NEW petrol-only or diesel-only vehicles that will be banned here in the UK. Hybrid vehicles will be the only type allowed to be purchased new.

Running existing non-hybrid vehicles will be allowed - but for how long? I guess there will be some sort of increasing tax disincentive to do so, probably resulting in an eventual ban.

I remember when un-leaded fuel was being phased in. If you owned a lead-free only motor, as I did, you had to plan long journeys based on where you were likely to be able to re-fuel, which was a nightmare. If the long term goal is to allow only electric vehicles, then there needs to be a massive investment in re-charging infrastructure, starting now. We can'r rely on the certainty of consumer level super-efficient batteries being developed any time soon.

I am a big motorsport fan, and I'm convinced that in the medium term more efficient hybrid engines are the way to go. The best ICEs now run at approaching 20% efficiency; in the last few years Formula 1 hybrids have been developed to the level of 50% efficiency. We need to filter that down to everyday vehicles.

originally posted by: Brian4real
Britain will be the first Country to give a middle finger to big oil!
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Hmmm, exactly before three weeks France decided to ban Diesel and Petrol vehicles till 2040:

Erst vor knapp drei Wochen hatte Frankreich erklärt, den Verkauf von Verbrennungsmotoren bis 2040 zu stoppen. Die Bundesregierung lehnt einen angeordneten Ausstieg ab.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Brian4real

pretty much every plastic, bit of electrical insulation, industrial fertiliser comes from big oil.

can't see the oil baron's ball getting cancelled for a long time.

Agreed. This this seems more likely to be a way to control population movements and facilitate dependency upon the state.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Kandinsky
This raises another question; would the power grid be up to the job? What with power stations getting old, "environmental concerns" delaying the planning of new power stations, and environmentally friendly solutions having dubious effectiveness, there should be concerns about coping with existing demands, let alone adding new ones.

Yes, how will the grid cope? Unless the electric will be generated and stored by on-board solar panels, then the only supply will be via the grid. Even now national grid have dedicated power stations on standby for when people turn on their kettles during the commercial breaks of popular soaps.

How is the extra demand from vehicles going to be generated and met? Are we going to see this being used to justify the building of more power stations and what kind will they be? Will this be more or less environmentally friendly? We have seen the problems with nuclear which seems to be a popular choice despite our current inability to deal with the waste (apart from using it for nuclear weapons) and the ongoing, expensive disasters at Chernobyl and Fukushima.

When the "experts" told us to switch to diesel because it was cleaner, we now find out that they were wrong as nitrous-oxide is really bad - actually worse we are told than petrol. This is a shame because many people bought diesels and having being incentivised by the government through lower and zero taxes, thought they were doing the right thing.

Either these experts didn't know and it was not thought out properly and ill advised, or they did know and there is more to this.

I think it also has something to do with choice and control. If we are forced to only use electric then with only one source we will have no choice therefore the most amount of control can be exerted over us. If the electric grid goes down either due to inability to meet demand or by being deliberate and they introduce rolling blackouts, it will severely affect people's lives and their ability to travel/work etc.

Who knows, but looking back in insight over what we know about diesel, then maybe electric will be much worse.

a reply to: Brian4real

Have you looked into the effects on the environment from the production and disposal of these electric car batteries?

All that a move like this will do is create a new "Big Battery" industry that will be just as evil and demonized by the same people. It's funny to watch people get all excited about the greener grass every time there's talk of a technology shift, forced or otherwise.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

you obviously did not watch the video's ,shame you might have learnt something.

a reply to: slider1982

i know exactly who will be running your country and mine. unless there is a revolution, a true revolution where the people wake up. the internationnalissts will be running the world, as they have been for quite a few years now.

why do you think there is war? lol

a reply to: testsubject271

I was responding directly to the OP and the idea that a government-forced abolishment of one energy source would lead to just another Big [insert lobby here] taking its place (and that it wouldn't necessarily be more environmentally friendly). The OP's post had absolutely nothing to do with the videos that you posted much further down that I hadn't seen yet prior to, again, my response to the OP.

You can't chastise me for appropriately responding to the information in the OP to the OP.

I do, however, intend to watch your posted videos, but will do so at a later time.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Brian4real

Have you looked into the effects on the environment from the production and disposal of these electric car batteries?

All that a move like this will do is create a new "Big Battery" industry that will be just as evil and demonized by the same people. It's funny to watch people get all excited about the greener grass every time there's talk of a technology shift, forced or otherwise.

this is what you wrote claiming batteries would be a environmental disaster ,had you actually taken in the information contained within this thread ,,we have a new battery tech that is 100% friendly to the environment.

originally posted by: testsubject271
this is what you wrote claiming batteries would be a environmental disaster ,had you actually taken in the information contained within this thread ,,we have new battery tech that is 100% friendly to the environment.

Holy hell...drop this issue. You can't possibly expect every person who comments directly to the OP (not to you) to have perused every comment and every page of a thread first.

Jesus...let it go.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

why would i drop the fact,truth is good.
we have a new tech and you sir where wrong ,now you try to silence me again.
the proof the tech is here is openly contained.

as far as i'm aware this is a open forum for all to comment on,so i really do not know why you expect to silence me.
when i clearly know far more about battery tech then you and was trying to point you in right direction.

a reply to: testsubject271

I meant that you should release your concern with me not having read your post, which is the 20th and last post on page one (including the OP), before commenting directly to the OP, which is the first post.

You are free to complain about it, sure, or to lecture me on how I may find truth from your embedded videos, but is it really necessary? I mean, it certainly doesn't want to make me take you or your posts seriously, so I'm not sure what your intent was to start with, other than to passive-aggressively try and make my comment out to look stupid, which in and of itself is a direct reflection on you, not me.

originally posted by: testsubject271
a reply to: SlapMonkey

you obviously did not watch the video's ,shame you might have learnt something.

The videos on the 20th post in this thread at the bottom of a page that I had not even read yet. Do you get the absurdity of your comment now?

Either way, so be it. It's an unworthy concern at this point.

I'll be alright. I have designed a sail to stick on the roof. Should work going downhill with a good wind.

On a serious note... Are the UK looking at an industrial strategy post Brexit that puts this type of tech at the front? Hope so. Without the EU dictating terms, it may be possible.

Btw Britain is not the first to do this.. France and Germany have already announced but with a shorter time frame.

Anyway none of this really matters because with the age of the driverless car fast approaching.. changes the game for vehicle ownership in the future.

originally posted by: Brian4real
I thought this was a bs clickbait story, but its not. Britain will be the first Country to give a middle finger to big oil!
IMO, I think its exactly what we need to move forward. The alternative fuels/electric cars have been suppressed for far too long.
I wonder if leaving the EU had anything to do with this decision....

Well the UK isn't the first, France has already announced that from 2040 it will ban petrol and diesel vehicles.....if you see the difference that is, so no need to throw in BREXIT, just because the tube, Michael Gove announced it.
If you take it for what it is, the UK don't even have the infrastructure anywhere near Germany and France, etc for starters, and even the latter have a way to go while none of them even have the starter for ten pack...a competitive, and reliable battery and delivery system that can match petrol and diesel as yet. While there are some firms, quite small working on that, there is a long way to go, the US also have some good work done on that.
Of course there were also caveats in the statement..."incentives" for people to scrap their cars and so on... it didn't last so long before. So far then, for me this is a piece of jingoistic propaganda by a bunch of duffers.
BTW, as YarlanZey has pointed out the petrol versus diesel debacle a decade or so ago was also propaganda driven since most drivers of cars used petrol in the UK, and now it's the reverse, while diesel was far cheaper than petrol then than now, while in fact diesel is a deal more expensive now. The truth was that diesel particulates were known to be far more dangerous on their own than the cleanest petrol which was available then.

I'm glad they've given us 23 years notice. Too often British motorists are punished because of the vehicle they already own, rather than given an informed choice about the vehicles they might be planning to buy and the tax consequences of doing so.

It's the practicalities I'm interested in. How long will the car batteries last before they need replaced ? How expensive will it be to do that ? What about annual servicing, will that be more or less expensive ? Colder parts of the UK ... I live in a part of Scotland where Winter temperatures can go to minus 10, minus 15 degrees ... will the low temperatures affect vehicle range ? I also live in a flat/apartment, I have no driveway only on street parking, where will the charging points be, how often will the car need charged, how much will it cost, will there be competition for the electricity supply like Budiness/Domestic customers today ?

Sounds good in principle. But I'm truly worried that we're all getting too dependent on electricity and internet for everything nowadays. One major power cut, through solar activity, EMP, bad fortune like the power cuts in Notth America, or a period of industrial action (for those of you old enough to remember the power cuts of the 1970's) and the country will literally grind to a halt.Whats the backup ? Well, nothing it seems. Strategically I think this makes us too vulnerable.

But by 2040 I'll be over 70 yo and I'll have had my free bus pass for 10 uears anyway so why should I worry ?

originally posted by: TheShippingForecast
I'm glad they've given us 23 years notice. Too often British motorists are punished because of the vehicle they already own, rather than given an informed choice about the vehicles they might be planning to buy and the tax consequences of doing so.

But by 2040 I'll be over 70 yo and I'll have had my free bus pass for 10 uears anyway so why should I worry ?

Some good points there. In my case I am already over 70 and by 2040 I'll probably have my swipe card for the Pearly gates, but it really angers me to see these really stupid baldy proclamations from our government, that don't even consider other types of possible harm free power. There may even be hypothetical harm free power sources, but no! we have to have a mad rush now for electric vehicles, then there will be another mad rush for something else to replace them, generations after generations being blasted with government bullshiite just so they can squeeze more shinola out of people and make themselves look good...in their opinion that is.

a reply to: testingtesting
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