Truth about this world, religions, mankind's situation.

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

That is your choice, but the truth contains religious concepts, rolling your eyes is not without consequences. This right now is your chance to avoid much suffering that otherwise is coming upon many in this world soon. It up to you, you can put your pride aside and listen and learn or remain in lies and fall and learn hard way, but understand this dear soul and this apply to everyone, a time will come many shall call out to God in great pain and will not be answered, because the world has become for a time a kingdom of darkness directly and it is not permitted by eternal law to answer them. The smoke ascending is referring to those who in their foolishness did not repent and listen to truth to be saved and so they call out to God from Hell asking for help continuously but cant be answered until pit again is opened.

To be brutally honest, speaking as an atheist your comments are merely cementing me in my position. Religious extremism of any kind is an anathema to me.

You interpret based on the spirit in you, what I am is nothing like the religious extremists you may have met in past. I am representing the Spirit of truth, and one could say the Heavens as a mouth piece. It up to each individual soul to discern if they are capable the Light of Truth.

And yet you mentioned the need to baptise the souls of the dead. Is that not religious extremism? When I heard that the LDS had 'baptised' Anne Frank that made me angrier than I have been in quite some time.

Baptism is necessary or a soul can not be lifted out under the covenant from the underworlds, the baptisms for the dead are a second chance to souls who had fallen to Hades to be rescued and come forth in the first resurrection. Abraham's Bosom and Hades are aware of one another, a great chasm separates them one side paradise other a nightmare, dimensional separated yet aware. You for instance if continue your path will one day also be baptised for and offered to accept to come forth in resurrection, you will be grateful to get out of Hades.

I see. So your version of religion is to declare that only you are right, that everyone else is wrong and that you will force your conversion onto even the dead. That is offensive beyond words and as far as I was aware was banned by the LDS five years ago after a storm of criticism that emerged after it was revealed that people were baptising the souls of those who died in the Holocaust. Which is, again, offensive beyond my capacity to state.
There is a term for the version of religion that you are spouting. That term is spiritual jihad. It fits perfectly.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

That is your choice, but the truth contains religious concepts, rolling your eyes is not without consequences. This right now is your chance to avoid much suffering that otherwise is coming upon many in this world soon. It up to you, you can put your pride aside and listen and learn or remain in lies and fall and learn hard way, but understand this dear soul and this apply to everyone, a time will come many shall call out to God in great pain and will not be answered, because the world has become for a time a kingdom of darkness directly and it is not permitted by eternal law to answer them. The smoke ascending is referring to those who in their foolishness did not repent and listen to truth to be saved and so they call out to God from Hell asking for help continuously but cant be answered until pit again is opened.

To be brutally honest, speaking as an atheist your comments are merely cementing me in my position. Religious extremism of any kind is an anathema to me.

You interpret based on the spirit in you, what I am is nothing like the religious extremists you may have met in past. I am representing the Spirit of truth, and one could say the Heavens as a mouth piece. It up to each individual soul to discern if they are capable the Light of Truth.

And yet you mentioned the need to baptise the souls of the dead. Is that not religious extremism? When I heard that the LDS had 'baptised' Anne Frank that made me angrier than I have been in quite some time.

Baptism is necessary or a soul can not be lifted out under the covenant from the underworlds, the baptisms for the dead are a second chance to souls who had fallen to Hades to be rescued and come forth in the first resurrection. Abraham's Bosom and Hades are aware of one another, a great chasm separates them one side paradise other a nightmare, dimensional separated yet aware. You for instance if continue your path will one day also be baptised for and offered to accept to come forth in resurrection, you will be grateful to get out of Hades.

I see. So your version of religion is to declare that only you are right, that everyone else is wrong and that you will force your conversion onto even the dead. That is offensive beyond words and as far as I was aware was banned by the LDS five years ago after a storm of criticism that emerged after it was revealed that people were baptising the souls of those who died in the Holocaust. Which is, again, offensive beyond my capacity to state.
There is a term for the version of religion that you are spouting. That term is spiritual jihad. It fits perfectly.

The truth is always the same eternally, the only difference is who can find it and cant. I can not make you believe you must find it in spirit, it now in-front of you but how can you being in darkness understand the light? All souls will be baptised for, if it is not done those souls remain suffering in Hades calling out for help. Mankind does not understand the universe they are in or it rules or understand even why such acts of faith are required. If someone baptised on behalf of holocaust victims those souls would be grateful.

a reply to: spiritoftruth111

You have missed my point by several parsecs. You are forcing your 'truth' onto the dead, ignoring their own religious beliefs in life and insulting their memories. And you cannot see how wrong that is. Once again: the Church of the LDS apologised for this in 2012 and said that it was wrong. Who are you to decide otherwise?

When someone baptises on behalf of the dead, the dead maintain their freewill agency and are given a chance to either accept the offer of grace on their behalf or reject. Nothing is forced upon souls by the Light, the baptisms are a gift and blessing being offered in mercy to those trapped in dimensions below and the Light seeks none to have to suffer.

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: spiritoftruth111

You have missed my point by several parsecs. You are forcing your 'truth' onto the dead, ignoring their own religious beliefs in life and insulting their memories. And you cannot see how wrong that is. Once again: the Church of the LDS apologised for this in 2012 and said that it was wrong. Who are you to decide otherwise?

when someone baptises on behalf of the dead, a representative of the Light approaches that soul in torment in Hades and says to it do you accept this offer of grace on your behalf. They are made aware it is a second chance at salvation and that they will still come before the judgement seat of Christ.

Are you seriously saying that you actually believe that the souls of those who died in the Holocaust automatically went to 'Hades' because they were not members of your version of Christianity? I want you to think very, very, hard before you answer that question.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

No judgement is being made, nothing is being said about those who died in the holocaust, neither am I implying that they automatically went to "Hades" What the Light is revealing is that all must be baptised properly by one with authority to properly baptise directly in this life or by proxy through baptisms for the dead; otherwise all souls in general cannot be lifted up in the millennial days of resurrection. Baptism is necessary and requirement with higher reason and purpose.

originally posted by: Starcrossd
I am not really a religious person..some of the phrases and words you used struck me though. They are eerily similar to other things I have heard and come across lately. I wonder how much is coincidence?

In your opinion, how would you explain this passage that has intrigued me (copied from another thread/post);
... (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

I feel like I have been puzzling out some ideas the last few years and seem to be on the edge of reaching some sort of understanding. I am curious to hear your insight. also, I too am wondering about the uncorrupted church. Can you tell us more?
Hope this doesn't derail your thread. I can delete if necessary.

Link to post reference: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Who says Genesis was not done at the Ending, how does a circle work...For it is written let them grow together until the ending and then come forth in harvest of season.

Those of the first resurrection will not taste the second death, but some can not taste death now if made certain requirements such it is few have done so in all the history of the world. There is a way to stand worthy before the Son of man and escape what comes without tasting Death, a few will. As spoken in scripture-

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.


Christianity has long been in corruption since the days of the Roman empire, apostasy came quickly after the death of the disciples. A restoration had to occur at a point and a soul was appointed to be capable enough to do so and was known as Joseph Smith, a second witness of the Gospel to bring completion of the Gospel was already prepared that being the Book of Mormon. The combination of Book of Mormon and Bible when properly interpreted is the restored Gospel and must cross reference to avoid interpretation errors by mankind. Those known as the Mormons are as they claim, the only Church on earth that was made by God directly they have better understanding of mankind true purpose, the visitations that they speak of occurred this I can tell you with 100% certainty indeed Joseph Smith was visited by the Father and Son mysteriously.

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

No judgement is being made, nothing is being said about those who died in the holocaust, neither am I implying that they automatically went to "Hades" What the Light is revealing is that all must be baptised properly by one with authority to properly baptise directly in this life or by proxy through baptisms for the dead; otherwise all souls in general cannot be lifted up in the millennial days of resurrection. Baptism is necessary and requirement with higher reason and purpose.

I am going to quote your past answers in all my own answers from now onwards, because frankly I no longer trust you. You have amended at least one of your previous replies to me, I suspect because you realised how monstrous the concept you described was. Your previous answer said that you thought that the dead were in Hades. The dead of the Holocaust. How dare you?
You are still saying that only your interpretation is correct and that everyone else is wrong. And I utterly reject your proposition that baptism is a requirement for higher reason.

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
I can tell you with 100% certainty this is true. The elite are part of a unique bloodline that has different DNA structure to rest of the world,

No you can't. You are assuming. You have no evidence that you can demonstrate that what you are 'telling' us is 100% true or that your perceived 'elite' have different DNA structures.

None of it. A complete fabrication.

You should change your rhetoric to say, "I believe..." or 'I think...".

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

All souls on earth who enter mortality enter with a risk, few avoid Hades this is the hard truth. The requirements to await in Abraham bosom are strict and the righteousness necessary must be met even if baptised and under the covenant. So indeed many souls have fallen to Hades and await the resurrection and not one soul rejects baptism of dead.

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

All souls on earth who enter mortality enter with a risk, few avoid Hades this is the hard truth. The requirements to await in Abraham bosom are strict and the righteousness necessary must be met even if baptised and under the covenant. So indeed many souls have fallen to Hades and await the resurrection and not one soul rejects baptism of dead.

And you know this how, exactly?
Once again, I would like to stress this - the Church of LDS says that it had stopped doing this. Are you saying that they lied?

a reply to: spiritoftruth111

I had a... prompting you might be LDS.

I give you props for testifying on ATS. This place can be pretty hostile to Christians, especially Mormons.

Which I never really understood. ATS is about fantastic stories and outlandish claims. And with its doctrine of continuing revelation, one would think the Church would be a hot topic.

But no, it's polygamy this and Fanny Alger that, Mountain Meadows and freemasonry--the same bulls# they've been throwing at you guys for 200 years and hasn't stuck yet.

Disappointing, really.

But keep up the good work.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

All souls on earth who enter mortality enter with a risk, few avoid Hades this is the hard truth. The requirements to await in Abraham bosom are strict and the righteousness necessary must be met even if baptised and under the covenant. So indeed many souls have fallen to Hades and await the resurrection and not one soul rejects baptism of dead.

And you know this how, exactly?
Once again, I would like to stress this - the Church of LDS says that it had stopped doing this. Are you saying that they lied?

The LDS has not stopped baptism of the Dead they would not say that. It is too important and a commandment by God. The baptisms will continue in the world also to come for those who enter Millennial, as many souls will still be trapped in the underworlds and need help. If I told you why I know it would be pointless.

This thread not so much about bearing my witness, It is about helping mankind wake up to the truth of the worlds situation, the LDS simply was created for a purpose and leading souls to that church is best for them, they need only learn the basics of truth to be saved, the complexity will be left to those of use who understand the Draconian empire. The Son of man itself is a mystery no one has yet understood, imagine the shock if mankind learned God was walking around right now on earth fulfilling something more important than could be put into words. The author could be already here and making a way out for those found worthy to escape, but who truly has met requirements that is the question.

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

All souls on earth who enter mortality enter with a risk, few avoid Hades this is the hard truth. The requirements to await in Abraham bosom are strict and the righteousness necessary must be met even if baptised and under the covenant. So indeed many souls have fallen to Hades and await the resurrection and not one soul rejects baptism of dead.

And you know this how, exactly?
Once again, I would like to stress this - the Church of LDS says that it had stopped doing this. Are you saying that they lied?

The LDS has not stopped baptism of the Dead they would not say that. It is too important and a commandment by God. The baptisms will continue in the world also to come for those who enter Millennial, as many souls will still be trapped in the underworlds and need help. If I told you why I know it would be pointless.

I see, so this is a lie, is it?

a reply to: spiritoftruth111

So you're wanting people to join the LDS? To save their souls and all that nonesense?

(A simple yes or no will suffice)

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
This thread not so much about bearing my witness, It is about helping mankind wake up to the truth of the worlds situation, the LDS simply was created for a purpose and leading souls to that church is best for them, they need only learn the basics of truth to be saved, the complexity will be left to those of use who understand the Draconian empire. The Son of man itself is a mystery no one has yet understood, imagine the shock if mankind learned God was walking around right now on earth fulfilling something more important than could be put into words. The author could be already here and making a way out for those found worthy to escape, but who truly has met requirements that is the question.

This thread had thrown up a lot of unanswered questions (who are the Draconians?) and has also revealed that you are into forcible conversions. There's no other phrase that describes it, you think that you know better than everyone else.
This thread has also massively reinforced my atheism, so I should probably thank you for that.

i am embarrassed that i encouraged you (op) back on page 1. i am well versed in the mormon doctrines... in my previous post i referred to it as having been "abused".

i was born and raised in the lds religion. i have personally led many of my relatives away from that poisonous organization. nowadays i don't pay it much mind, but from what i can see it is now more than ever an abomination.

in fact, i have known a handful of members that speak with a peculiar "revelatory" tone, such as you do. such a load of bull that is. you are a fraud. better watch out, the 'brethren' are really putting the axe down on that behavior these days.

c-ya

originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
some-plans of God hidden from the world with wisdom.

This is how I know what you're saying is not true and completely made up.

What sort of stupid person or 'being', would have truths and knowledge for bettering other hidden away under the guise of 'wisdom' ? Why not just tell people?

When my children need advice or help or encouragement, or need to be reprimanded in order to know right from wrong, I don't give them ridiculous hyperbole or metaphor or silly stories, hiding the true nature of what I'm trying to educate them on. I TELL them. Straight up.

They learn better because someone has been honest and truthful. I don't need to hide messages of truth and wisdom away. WHere us the sense in that? Obscuring the truth from people so that it isn't obvious and leads to groups of people *thinking* they know what the truth is, versus another group, versus another group. Who all end up killing each other because *THEY* know what the truth is?!

Utter bollocks. Which is why I know man made religion and things like the LDS are complete nonsense. No being of superior intellect would treat those it supposedly cares for is such a callous and trite manner.

Hell, i wouldn't treat my dog in that way!

originally posted by: tgidkp

better watch out, the 'brethren' are really putting the axe down on that behavior these days.

Can you give us an example?