First bicycle tax in nation leaves bike-crazy Oregon riders deflated

I live in Melbourne victoria and the cycle movement are forever demanding more and more roadspace. I live 30 kilometres from melbourne cbd, our great city council on some roads which were dual carriageway each direction have now been converted to single lane roads, in the time I hsve used these roads I hsve never seen a cyclust using the lane. I sm sick of the traffjc congestion as council care about cyclistst who dont pay a cent to use the road.

I do not have an issue if they were mandated to register their bikes and contribute to the Transport Accident Commission insurance scheme (for those that dont know its a 3rd party insurer who cover personal injury to all parties involved in transport accidents) in my registration fee of $800.80, $464.0 is just the injury insurance.

year after year it gies up by at least 18 to 50 dollars. This is a result of motor accidents though also covers cyclists if they are injured by a car. Its a sad state of affairs where cyclists can receive upto hundreds of thousands of dollars compensation if they do get injured. Though its a stupid system where cyck7usts want to gain all the benefits and not pay a cent for it.

There was a cycle lobby group here in melbourne who are demsnding the government reduce car speed limits from 40 kph to 20kph on major arterial roads into the cbd, already the roads are cingested due to lane reducrions in most areas from two lane to one road.

I am sick of the cycle lobby, if you want access start paying your fair share or shut your mouths.

a reply to: seasonal

Hmmm... I always build and maintain my own bicycles, I wonder which part or parts will carry a tax when one never buys a complete bicycle?
Especially when the various parts are purchased online from various states and even other countries?

Or when one buys the complete bicycle online?

Should be interesting to see how it's enforced...

If cyclists make up a significant portion of road travelers, and require a portion of the road,why not pay into a plan that is a benefit to them? When someone buys a Specialist road bike with a minimum cost of $1000, what's another $15? This is a definitely a case of taxation with representation.

Here's the thing about taxes. ALL TAXES ARE PAID BY THE PEOPLE. No matter what, if you take the people out of any part of the taxing equation, no taxes will be paid. It is ALWAYS a tax upon the labor of the people. The end user or customer of all things are the people. So, any increase in taxes anywhere is tax upon the people. And we are WAY past the tax rates that lead to our revolution against the British. Enough with taxes!

originally posted by: craterman
Here's the thing about taxes. ALL TAXES ARE PAID BY THE PEOPLE.

People aren't the only ones that pay taxes.

Corporations pay taxes too.

a reply to: seasonal

Such is the obsession with profit over everything else in the U.S. (and so many other countries), if they could, we'd all get taxed on every sh*t we take

a reply to: NickK3

Probably like a licence plate.
Your bike will need the state issued sticker.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Yes, you are right about that and from what I've seen its created a mess of NYC traffic. Maybe with new technologies they can get things fixed up. The city near us is beautiful and we would like to visit more, but they've made the downtown area a huge mess. There's practically no parking. I don't understand what they are thinking.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

if they could, we'd all get taxed on every sh*t we take

in some community you are. the city, county, and state tax utilities such as sewer and water.

originally posted by: Snarl
Hell yeah!! Let bicyclists pay their own way for a change.

Muwhahahahahaha!

ETA: While we're at it ... let's make them carry around a Cyclist's license and make them register their bikes too. You could get all kinds of fees out of 'em with just a little thought.

I don't get a break on my Harley, and every state I've ever lived in makes me pay 'extra' for that damned Motorcycle Endorsement (the bastahds).

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Snarl
ETA: While we're at it ... let's make them carry around a Cyclist's license and make them register their bikes too.

Absolutely. They should also be required to carry insurance same as car drivers do. Lord knows they're responsible for plenty of accidents and collisions, so it only makes sense.

I really hope you guys are being sarcastic.

Although I see your point, as much as some of you cry about bigger government and keeping government out of people's lives and reducing taxes, etc, you want exactly the opposite here almost, it seems, just to spite.

seams like no one is acutely reading the tax . First its on bikes OVER 200 $ and having 26 inch rims or larger .
Ovesly they thought of the poor people . Poor people ether buy from wally world for under 150 $ new or buy used ( OR steal them . More bikes are stolen then any thing ( LOCK them up ) had one stolen right out of my yard in a decent part of town .Funner it was Junk .
anyway if you can afford a 1700 - 8000 $ bike i dont think 15$ WILL BRAKE YOU .
Heck i loved riding when i was young ( not liberal ether ) ( ?that is a stupid statement .
And bought a few higher end bikes even though i was mostly poor even knowing a 15 $ tax would not have pissed me off .
What does piss me off is they DONT use the money to fix a dam thing .
the lottery money was ear marked for schools most states by now every student should have a new laptop and 3 teacher per class if the profits went to schools .
Its not taxes that are the problem its the Fact all they are for is so some men dont have to earn a living .
just like your preacher in your church he says Give the money to god what he means is give the money to ME .

scams is all taxes and tids are

originally posted by: Liquesence
I really hope you guys are being sarcastic.

Sauce for the goose, my friend ... Sauce for the goose.

a reply to: seasonal

Bicyclists should be taxed for their own bike paths if the funds collected can only go to the effort of building and maintaining bike paths.

originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: seasonal

Bicyclists should be taxed for their own bike paths if the funds collected can only go to the effort of building and maintaining bike paths.

No one in my family owns a bike. That's the bottom line.

At the moment, no one I know doesn't own a car. There's your difference.

Someone needs to answer the question: Why should _I_ have to pay one nickel for a GD'd bike bath? Hell ... when I was a kid and owned a bike, we got along just fine without bike paths. What was wrong with that?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Absolutely. They should also be required to carry insurance same as car drivers do. Lord knows they're responsible for plenty of accidents and collisions, so it only makes sense.

Isn't that what Obamacare is all about.

Now, even cyclists and walkers must have insurance, in case there's an accident that involves them, and they require health care.

They just haven't included the usual "3rd party" insurance in Obamacare, yet. Maybe the Republicans can fix this, and add that as a requirement.

After all, what happens if a runner slams into my car. Does his insurance cover the damage to my vehicle?

the only thing wrong with this is it seems to be only a one time thing, and is far too little. bicycles are a vehicle just like any other vehicle that uses the road. as such they should be paying their fair share for that road they share. even more if they have special lanes and paths only they can use. if it is for them only, then THEY are the one's who should be paying for it. gas and diesel motorists pay taxes on gas many if not most places for road maintenance, as well as cars and trucks when getting plates. we need to be fair about it. electric and hybrid vehicles need to pony up their fair share that they are not paying through fuel taxes. cyclists need to do that as well as pay the same fees as other vehicle owners for plates. and yes i do mean paying the same yearly plate tag cost and having to have plates as any motor vehicle does. actually they should be paying far more than most vehicles because that is the only way to get the tax money most vehicles pay at the pumps. not only that by being plated a bicycle can be held to safety standards in regards to things like lights and brakes, just like any other vehicle. they could even have special stickers/plates for bicycles that only are licenced for off road bike path use for people not licenced or not wanting to use their bikes on the road, and yet still pay their share to maintain those paths. just like many areas do with snowmobile and off road trails.

i also agree that cyclists should also both have to have a licence and insurance to ride on public roads. cyclists do cause and are involved in accidents. and so should have coverage for the same reasons any other vehicle does. and most cyclist tickets end up thrown out of court (which is why most cops ignore their infractions), because they do not have to have a licence. they are a vehicle, they need to be held to the same standards of any other vehicle on the roads. and guess what licencing fees, insurance and fuel taxes are a burden on poor non-cycle vehicle owners, so why should bicycles get a pass? you are helping the environment? well good for you (and i mean that), yet you still need to pay your fair share.

you want an unfair tax just look at Washington and the hundreds of dollars extra to get a licence plate, to pay for a public transit expansion. it should be those that use it, that should be paying for it.

Before you "less bright" one's start cheering this type of crap as a good thing, you really should find out who really owns your car and your house and everything else you think is yours.

...Of course, you think they take all of that registration, licensure and tax for you to drive your car, for instance, as a way to make things safer for everyone...

You are wrong.

Soon enough it will be a law that you have to present papers to walk around anywhere...And I know a lot of the more ignorant of you think that is already the case, ignorantly believing that it is illegal to stroll around without an I.D..

You Are Wrong!.

Your ignorantly believing things that are not true is what makes this reality, because the people who take money from you for stuff, with your full consent, aren't going to tell you you don't have to pay them.

Goddamned stupid #ing people everywhere...

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner

Soon enough it will be a law that you have to present papers to walk around anywhere...

No. You won't need any papers.

There will be cameras everywhere watching you, and with "facial recognition" and observing your "patterns of walking" etc.. each individual will be automatically identified, and matched up with the database records.

All this will be done silently, and automatically, without you even knowing it's happening.

No cop will ever approach you, to ask for papers, unless your ID doesn't appear in the government database.

a reply to: AMPTAH

And from your previous posts, I would say that's probably fine with you too...

This website's motto is supposedly "Deny Ignorance" and that obviously flew right over your head.

a reply to: Bluntone22

By allowing any state agency to tag your vehicle, you lose some rights to it and in a way, it becomes theirs.

American's done been asleep for about a century now...

Don't wake up.