Elon Musk's Worst Nightmare: Russian AK-47 Maker Builds Fully-Automated "Killer Robot"

a reply to: pirhanna

technological innovation is the driving factor of human civilization

no greed is driving factor of human civilization, technological innovation is just the means.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: pirhanna

technological innovation is the driving factor of human civilization

no greed is driving factor of human civilization, technological innovation is just the means.

I wouldn't say that exactly. I don't think greed alone advances much of anything other than corruption. New and great ideas and overcoming challenges are part of our nature. Not everything comes down to just some guy wanting to get rich. There are easier ways that can be done but still innovative men and woman create things for reasons other than just greed. It's part of us to want to create new things. See our ideas come to life. That kind of thing.

Greed I think is a tricky word though too. It can be used both positively or negatively depending upon the situation. I usually see greed as something negative, rather than it just being a very intense desire for something which isn't always a bad thing.

Even if they banned it some dictator somewhere will have his mad scientists build one. Drug lords and gang bangers will have them guarding their mansions and then the police force will have to have their own.

a reply to: schuyler

So true. All of the scariest monsters: killer AI robots, aliens, vampires, ghosts, zombies are all humanoid: Humans are the real monsters.

I am getting increasingly nervous about giving computers guns and telling them to "Kill the humans we don't like only". I don't mean to channel my inner Terminator but it is only a matter of time before the computer kills the first human that was a friendly because it decided differently. It really feels like there is no coming back from this once it is done.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'll be the first to say I discriminate against robots based on the fact that they don't have souls and I don't trust those shiny bastards...

That's bigoted. Robots should have rights and be treated equally... the Robots Rights Movement is just a few years away I am sure.

a reply to: sputniksteve

How long until the bug in the software surfaces that allows the miss identification of a potential target. It will be difficult to convince people it's actually a feature.

I would be interesting to watch people figure out how to trick these robots into doing or not doing what is expected. Draw back is that it would be a lethal game.

I fail to see why this is a nightmare. This tech has been around for decades. Slow lumbering machines that only could work in an open tundra. Show us a robot that has the agility to work in all situations such as urban rubble. Inside of buildings, moving up stairs, moving through lakes and rivers, forest environments. Then we can be impressed. This? This is just 90's tech retrofitted with target acquisition.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

You seem to be missing the forest for the trees. The target acquisition software and hardware being on the robot is the scary part, not the robot itself. Regardless of the platform if the software starts deciding for itself who is friendly and who isn't in an autonomous system it will be a problem. Let me qualify with "in my opinion" obviously. Sorry I didn't intend to make it seem that you were wrong.

This is what concerns me, and what I assume concerns others.

originally posted by: waftist
And so it begins...
Can you say collateral damage and (un)friendly fire?
Next the drones will be armed with lasers...yikes!

Damn battle droids...
"Roger-Roger!"

Well at least it'll give something for the new superhuman god-men that return from the rapture an army to destroy with no casualties.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'll be the first to say I discriminate against robots based on the fact that they don't have souls and I don't trust those shiny bastards...

That's bigoted. Robots should have rights and be treated equally... the Robots Rights Movement is just a few years away I am sure.

How soon they forget: Three Laws of Robotics

Asimov believed that, ideally, humans would also follow the Laws:

I have my answer ready whenever someone asks me if I think that my Three Laws of Robotics will actually be used to govern the behavior of robots, once they become versatile and flexible enough to be able to choose among different courses of behavior.

My answer is, "Yes, the Three Laws are the only way in which rational human beings can deal with robots—or with anything else."

—But when I say that, I always remember (sadly) that human beings are not always rational.

a reply to: sputniksteve

There's a lot scarier things than a robot with failsafes that can kill you.

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
a reply to: sputniksteve

There's a lot scarier things than a robot with failsafes that can kill you.

You aren't wrong, there most certainly are. That doesn't make this less scary relatively though, just not as scary as those things.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

i am certain i has seen the exact same system as this marketed by the russians as a " remote controlled unit "

If I were POTUS I would recall all troops to make the US a fortress over the span of decades whilst creating a drone army on land, sea and air possibly space for quick deployment since you can just shoot a canister of drones into space theoretically and leave them there having a long shelf life. I'd have the drones operated remotely and have a plan in case the drones get defeated anyway to have militia fighting guerrilla style with secret bases to restock and move about, all premade in case of. The situation on our planet should be seen as a cold third world war without an end, plus a mental civil war (at least trade wars) in most if not all countries.

A gorilla suit can easily fool AI for decades to come, it'll be programmed to shoot at humans. Then there's audio flares, like a sound grenade to jam other sensors, light flares or otherwise for camera's. It might be a simple cardboard box will be sufficient to escape remote controlled drones, but it'll all change once they are here. I'm just hoping western countries will have the drone armies first and have the deterrent of a fortress with lots of concrete, shelters, missiles and other methods of interception like lasers, precision guns. It's not like I believe actual full out war will ensue, it's simply the history of wars combine with the number of soldiers and military assets it's not difficult to see how the situation is globally.

a reply to: spliffster

Wtf did i just read... No just no

None of that will work, and frankly IDC how much reading you've done because you've obviously done close to zero understanding and or comprehending of the situation at hand.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'll be the first to say I discriminate against robots based on the fact that they don't have souls and I don't trust those shiny bastards...

John Connor, is that you?..

originally posted by: roguetechie
a reply to: spliffster

Wtf did i just read... No just no

None of that will work, and frankly IDC how much reading you've done because you've obviously done close to zero understanding and or comprehending of the situation at hand.

Yeah I should work on presenting my point, robotics are just my hobby and I haven't even had draft or any army experience, didn't mean to waste anyones time. I am convinced though drones/robots are the future of warfare and also that it will take a long time before robots can do tasks which appear simple to humans.

Here is the open letter recently to the UN regarding the future of autonomous weapons. It has been signed by people of the industry and warns about opening Pandoras box. Most well known signers:

Elon Musk, founder of Tesla, SpaceX and OpenAI (USA)
Mustafa Suleyman, founder and Head of Applied AI at Google’s DeepMind (UK)
Esben Østergaard, founder & CTO of Universal Robotics (Denmark)
Jerome Monceaux, founder of Aldebaran Robotics, makers of Nao and Pepper robots (France)
Jürgen Schmidhuber, leading deep learning expert and founder of Nnaisense (Switzerland)
Yoshua Bengio, leading deep learning expert and founder of Element AI (Canada)

futureoflife.org...

As companies building the technologies in Artificial Intelligence and Robotics that may be repurposed to develop autonomous weapons, we feel especially responsible in raising this alarm. We warmly welcome the decision of the UN’s Conference of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) to establish a Group of Governmental Experts (GGE) on Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems. Many of our researchers and engineers are eager to offer technical advice to your deliberations.

We commend the appointment of Ambassador Amandeep Singh Gill of India as chair of the GGE. We entreat the High Contracting Parties participating in the GGE to work hard at finding means to prevent an arms race in these weapons, to protect civilians from their misuse, and to avoid the destabilizing effects of these technologies. We regret that the GGE’s first meeting, which was due to start today (August 21, 2017), has been cancelled due to a small number of states failing to pay their financial contributions to the UN. We urge the High Contracting Parties therefore to double their efforts at the first meeting of the GGE now planned for November.

Lethal autonomous weapons threaten to become the third revolution in warfare. Once developed, they will permit armed conflict to be fought at a scale greater than ever, and at timescales faster than humans can comprehend. These can be weapons of terror, weapons that despots and terrorists use against innocent populations, and weapons hacked to behave in undesirable ways. We do not have long to act. Once this Pandora’s box is opened, it will be hard to close. We therefore implore the High Contracting Parties to find a way to protect us all from these dangers.

I don't agree with autonomous weapons, I do agree with semi-autonomous remote controlled robots with computer technology enhancements for the operator like auto targetting, various information about the battlefield but not just program them to kill anything and let them loose in a combat zone.

Here's is an easy read more indepth article from Huffpost:
www.huffingtonpost.com...