Nazi Germany, overhyped?

Apparently, Hitler kill count didn't really measure up to Stalin's and Mao Zedong score card, and it was their own people who make a good chunk of those numbers.

Also I bet Hitler would of shot himself again if he saw the rise of Israel and it was by his doing)

originally posted by: Specimen

Also I bet Hitler would of shot himself again if he saw the rise of Israel and it was by his doing)

How cute. People still believe Hitler wasnt in on the farce. WW2 was a zionist ploy on all accounts.

Dont get me wrong, the Holocaust really happened, the Synagogue of Satans largest burnt offering to date. But don't you think it's funny that Hitler was in fact just as Jew-ish as Israeli European leadership of today, never got his day in court or body recovered, and the Synagogue of Satan had coincidentally been begging for the world to believe their antics for quite some time previous to the war?

Being an ethnic Hebrew, not an opportunist convert applying ancient ethno-religious regional empire law to global politics, Im allowed to be offended by the whole ordeal on a whole knew level. So fire away. Show me Netanyahus brown skinned parents and Schicklgrubers blonde haired parents. Oh and any sources from media you wouldn't trust on any other conspiracy subject is invalid evidence. Get busy, find out who Hitler was truly motivated by in his actions.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Raggedyman

Actually they tried on multiple occasions to get their fleet, such as it was, into the Atlantic. Fleet units, surface raiders, and of course submarines.

That they failed to make an appreciable impact outside of the aforementioned submarines and maritime attack aircraft such as the FW-200 Condor is quite beside the point. They attempted and it cost them virtually everything they tried with.

They most certainly did try to form a navy to rival, in some ways, the Royal Navy. Not to the extent of fighting another Jutland, but a fleet in being, to quote Mahan, that had to be taken seriously by the Royal Navy. Given the resources that were tied up by Home Fleet, they succeeded admirably.

Too bad the execution sucked. Graf Spee, Bismark, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, Geisnanau (sp?), and many other surface combatants, including the never finished Graf Zeppelin, all were either sunk, or rendered useless.

The fact that they didn't have an aircraft carrier ever in commission isn't because they didn't need one, their gloriously deluded leader didn't see the need. More idiot, he.

The exception that proves the rule was the Admiral Scheer, A Graf Spee class heavy Cruiser/Pocket battleship operated in the North and South Atlantic as well as the Indian Ocean. She sank/captured an amazing amount of tonnage during her years at sea. Eventual sunk at port, not unlike Tirpitz.

I'm guessing she had more tonnage to her credit than any ship in WWII.

Those bastard Graf Spee classes where more dangerous than the U-boats.
Maybe Germany should of invested more in those buggers.

Yes. HMS Jervis Bay....

The Admiral Sheer's Captain took it to another level. He was flat out diabolical. He actually painted the entire ship in U.S. Navy Grey, printed the appropriate numbers on the hull and hoisted the Stars and Stripes. He ran as a 'neutral' prior to the U.S. entering the fray and would fool both warships and merchantmen.

He'd approach a merchantman who was unsuspecting and promptly aim all nine of his 11 inch guns at the radio shack. He'd then signal if ANY radio transmission was attempted, he'd be blown out of the water. The merchantman would almost always surrender.

The Capt. would then top off his food and fuel, appropriated from the 'newest' member of Germany's fleet, place a prize crew on board and send it to the nearest German or friendly 'neutral' Port.

Later in the war he would completely cover all armaments with planks (some form of plywood?) and even went as far as to disguise the shape of the funnels and presented himself as a rather large freighter. As he drew close, the plankings/plywood would be lowered and again the 11 inchers made the decision easy. Wash, rinse, repeat.

He was never caught. His means remained undiscovered until after the war, as far as I'm aware.

He tied up at least two British squadrons for the majority of the war. He used both the North and South Atlantic and would move over to the Indian Ocean if the British were thought to be closing in on him.

This was out of a non-fiction book about 50 years back. The names, of course, escapes. Obviously, a flat out fascinating read.

originally posted by: Specimen
Apparently, Hitler kill count didn't really measure up to Stalin's and Mao Zedong score card, and it was their own people who make a good chunk of those numbers.

Also I bet Hitler would of shot himself again if he saw the rise of Israel and it was by his doing)

Actually, the Brits were selling visas to Jews over and above their arbitrary annual quota to enter what was to become Israel as early as the 1930's. Definitely before the start of the war.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Thank you for the effort. It's appreciated.


Good information and the date of it is...reassuring.

In 1939 nobody could stop them, when many did try, but when basically the rest of the world is against you, your going to fail. Had Germany not invaded the Soviet Union and then said to Britain do you want a peace deal, and left Japan to it's own devices, different story. Attacking the Soviet Union was a huge error and changed the war, brutal winters with very long supply lines aren't good for attacking armies.

Declaring war on America was foolish too.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Specimen
Apparently, Hitler kill count didn't really measure up to Stalin's and Mao Zedong score card, and it was their own people who make a good chunk of those numbers.

Also I bet Hitler would of shot himself again if he saw the rise of Israel and it was by his doing)

Actually, the Brits were selling visas to Jews over and above their arbitrary annual quota to enter what was to become Israel as early as the 1930's. Definitely before the start of the war.

Interestingly one of the plans the NAZI considered was deporting the jews to Palestine once they took it from the British.


To be honest they could of used that plan to goo effect.
Imagine if hitler had given a million jewish men guns and sent them to fight with the African corps on the promise they get palestine?
Jews get a country and Hitler gets cannon fodder.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Specimen
Apparently, Hitler kill count didn't really measure up to Stalin's and Mao Zedong score card, and it was their own people who make a good chunk of those numbers.

Also I bet Hitler would of shot himself again if he saw the rise of Israel and it was by his doing)

Actually, the Brits were selling visas to Jews over and above their arbitrary annual quota to enter what was to become Israel as early as the 1930's. Definitely before the start of the war.

Interestingly one of the plans the NAZI considered was deporting the jews to Palestine once they took it from the British.


To be honest they could of used that plan to goo effect.
Imagine if hitler had given a million jewish men guns and sent them to fight with the African corps on the promise they get palestine?
Jews get a country and Hitler gets cannon fodder.

Beyond Hitler's mental capacity. Although there is evidence that the Zionists did pay hard currency/gold for Jews to be released by the Nazis, likely then sent to Israel or South America.

P.S. The Brits beat them to it by creating Israel.

a reply to: crazyewok


This is pure speculation on my part, but having said that, it adds up. To wit, The Sykes-Picot Agreement. The flaw, likely spotted after the fact, was the Suez Canal would be under the control of one Nation. Levant.

The Suez Canal was the 'jugular' of British Empire profits. Why risk potential future issues with one country perhaps holding a gun at the head of the Empire when having Muslim on one side of the Canal and A Jewish state on the other?

End result is neither controls the Canal and future profits are secured.

Of course, now Britain is obliged to make amends for breaking the agreement, even though 'officially cancelled', to the Saudis thereafter and block, or at least give the appearance of blocking, Israel's survival. Hence the blockades, etc.

The reality is those 'efforts' were a tad short of successful, correct? Israel survived and the Canal continues with passage unrestricted to this day....


Meh, what do I know? Could be a complete fabrication on my part.

All empires look good on paper, fudged by accountants working for the state.

Mostly greedy ambitious people rise to the top, then steal everything in sight.

Wasn't the clintons blamed for pilfering the house silver and the "W" keys from computer keyboards?

That was on their way out, then Ms. Clinton wanted back in to steal the world or blow it up trying, whichever.

The thing about the Nazis (unlike Hillary and her server) was they were sticklers about record keeping. They are the first empire to have all their documentation captured so we could see what they did and how they did it.

I bet the Romans, Greeks and yes, the US of A all do the same thing. Those pentagon billions, those banker trillions, those corporate holdings aren't missing, they are hidden, until the empire is vanquished.

originally posted by: Specimen
Apparently, Hitler kill count didn't really measure up to Stalin's and Mao Zedong score card, and it was their own people who make a good chunk of those numbers.

Also I bet Hitler would of shot himself again if he saw the rise of Israel and it was by his doing)

The stats say 50 million people died because of Hitler's war. I don't think anybody has topped that figure.

Also, wasn't Hitler 1/4 Jewish?

How do we know that Hitler wasn't the Jewish Messiah that came and took up 6 million Jewish souls to heaven?

After all, the Jews in Iran say that Israel isn't supposed to exist until the Messiah comes.

Well, Israel exists, so perhaps the Messiah came, but not everybody recognized him.

Who else could that Messiah have been?

Same man cause both events the Messiah comming results in

1) 6 x 10^n Jewish souls taken up from Earth
2) Israel comes into existance as a nation

The only difference, is that the Jewish Rabbis say 600,000 Jewish souls are taken up by the Messiah, and Hitler took 6,000,000, so they are off by one "0".

All the rest of the events are consistent with the coming of the Jewish Messiah.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Nazi Germany, overhyped?

It's hard to dispute the numbers.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: crazyewok
Two to three years not because of anything the UK did but as Speer stated that the Chromium and Tungsten receives Germany had would be gone by 1947. That means no more tanks or artillery. It was actually a genuine and terrifying fear of his. 1947 and the German industry's would collapse. After that Russia or the UK could walk in.

That problem would have been solved if Hitler didnt break his pact with Russia early.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Germany could not have survived a prolonged war, there economy was too fragile.

Germany knew it. But Hitler was a moron he kept changing Germany battle plan to suit his stupid anti Bolsheviks sentiment.

Germany could have benefited from Egyptian's oil field. But no, He had to turn to Russia.
Germany could have won Air Superiority in Battle of Britain. RAF was in the brink of defeat. All he need to do was bombed RAF's air fields and aircrafts. But no, he had to bomb London and other cities instead.
Germany could have invaded UK with Air Superiority and paratroopers. But no he had to waste his resources on U-Boats.
Germany could win the western front early using Russian resources by trade. But no, Hitler's was too greedy he had to seize Russia instead.
Germany knew, in order to get through Russia, they need to eliminate UK, France and Europe first. But no, Hitler was too greedy and stupid, he insisted on two fronts.

Germany could have won WWII if they sticked to their plan. But no, Hitler had to mess it up. Hitler was a retarded delusional stupid, I wonder how on earth he could become a Fuhrer, instead of Rommel.

originally posted by: AMPTAH
The stats say 50 million people died because of Hitler's war. I don't think anybody has topped that figure.

Also, wasn't Hitler 1/4 Jewish?

How do we know that Hitler wasn't the Jewish Messiah that came and took up 6 million Jewish souls to heaven?

After all, the Jews in Iran say that Israel isn't supposed to exist until the Messiah comes.

Well, Israel exists, so perhaps the Messiah came, but not everybody recognized him.

Who else could that Messiah have been?

Same man cause both events the Messiah comming results in

1) 6 x 10^n Jewish souls taken up from Earth
2) Israel comes into existance as a nation

The only difference, is that the Jewish Rabbis say 600,000 Jewish souls are taken up by the Messiah, and Hitler took 6,000,000, so they are off by one "0".

All the rest of the events are consistent with the coming of the Jewish Messiah.

Interesting. Hitler did fulfill the Jewish Messiah prophecy. LOL. If only Hitler wasnt that stupid, he could have become a new age prophet just the way he dream. I guess, god need to rewrite history so the end of the world prophecy is inevitable, with US and Germany annihilated the world with nuclear war. It would be fun. Since most of us havent born yet, it would be a free ride for all of us to enter heaven

What made Nazi Germany very strong and powerful was united civilians/army.
His war machines could not be matched at the start of the war. France fell quickly. Even UK relied on American Sherman tanks to survive. Firefly was the answer. The Soviet was getting huge lost. Soviet could've fell if his fuel supply wasn't destroyed.

The only thing the stopped Hitler invasion of UK was he lacked a proper Navy. He relied too much on the U-Boat thing, but couldn't transport his army over seas. If Japan was next to Nazi Germany, they both could have invaded UK together as Japs were the ones with proper naval power.

Hitler also lack tech to survive the cold weather which was his invasion of Soviet Union. His tanks were made for the desert, but not snow and cold.

a reply to: makemap

Germany Naval power was never going to catch up because of WW1 and fact the bulk of Germanys Navy and Navel power got scrapped after WW1.

Remember a huge bulk of the ships in the Navy of the UK, France, USA anf
And japan where built just before or during WW1. Something like 50% could be older ships. This was especially true due to the Washington Naval treaty that futher put restrictions on naval fleets.

originally posted by: makemap
The only thing the stopped Hitler invasion of UK was he lacked a proper Navy.

That and air superiority. They kinda lost that in the Battle of Britain.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: makemap
The only thing the stopped Hitler invasion of UK was he lacked a proper Navy.

That and air superiority. They kinda lost that in the Battle of Britain.

Yup no air superiority, no sea control = No Invasion.

originally posted by: InsaneIthorian
Yup no air superiority, no sea control = No Invasion.

'Minor' points overlooked in the strategic analysis.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: makemap
The only thing the stopped Hitler invasion of UK was he lacked a proper Navy.

That and air superiority. They kinda lost that in the Battle of Britain.

They didn't really lose the Air superiority thing until they started invading Soviet Union, German had enough aircrafts to deal with Brits alone. But, when they start fighting Soviet they had to move all their aircraft away. Germans were too distracted in multiple fronts.

en.wikipedia.org...