North Korea missile: US says it will use military force 'if we must'

I say let the little twerp throw the first blow.
Block and counter punch.
I predict a first round knock out.

The US has said that it will use its "considerable military forces" on North Korea "if we must".

I certainly hope we don't have to.
The death toll from a war with North Korea would be millions.
They have nukes, and there is not much anyone can do about it anymore.

Time to let them into MAD and make certain they fully understand what that means.
Diplomacy has failed, war is not an option,
and it is time to concede.

North Korea is now a nuclear power.

a reply to: skunkape23

Nice in the boxing ring. Wrong in the real world of nuclear armaments. Doesn't work that way with nuclear weapons. There is only one way. Massive strategic preemptive strike.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: MaestroMind

Stage where the missile, or missiles, are still being fueled... There's a term for it, but my brain has had a bit too much sun today...

preemptive strike - A first-strike attack with nuclear weapons carried out to destroy an enemy's capacity to respond. A preemptive strike is based on the assumption that the enemy is planning an imminent attack.

RE: fas.org...

FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY HANDED TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITIES EVERY BLESSED YEAR AND THEY CAN'T "TAKE OUT" KIM JONG WHEN HE's SITTING AT THE BASE OF A FRICKEN MOUNTAIN WATCHING HIS TOYS BLAST OFF???????

Does anyone besides me suspect that the USA actually LIKES Kim Jong and WANTS to keep him in power???

a reply to: carewemust

Does anyone besides me suspect that the USA actually LIKES Kim Jong and WANTS to keep him in power???

Why wouldn't we?

He justifies our heavy presence in the region when the real point of concern is China.

a reply to: carewemust

EO 12333 expressly forbids assassination of foreign leaders.

EO 11905 does the same.

Assassinating foreign leaders generally doesn't lead anywhere good. Ever.

The midget is playing, and rather masterfully, a game of brinksmanship. Push, poke, prod, nudge, back away, "who me?"...push, poke, prod, nudge..."what, who me? Nope, not me." Rinse. Repeat. ...and he's good at it. He gets the response he wants every single time...

a reply to: Damiel
I want my country US to put up or shut up. He has nukes and icbms. Either go to war or shut up about it. Red lines been crossed over and over.

a reply to: carewemust

BINGO! YOU WIN A CIGAR!

We left N. Korea's regime in place for future # list purposes only. We could have him disappeared at any given time we choose. but, we have instead contrived and cultivated the Kim dynasty for future target fodder. and as crazy as it may seem tptb had this all boarded up many, many years ago.

a reply to: Misterlondon

Exactly!
I wouldn't doubt that it'd be blown up while it's still over NK airspace

I could be wrong but haven't we reached a cross roads with Best Korea?

For decades we have used diplomacy, sanctions, agreements and appeasement to deter North Korea from gaining the ability to develop nuclear weapons and a delivery system for nuclear weapons. Nothing has worked and nothing short of a military response will work in stopping them reaching their goals (which imo is the ability to ensure MAD against anyone who would threaten them).

So are we not left with only two choices?
Either we pre-emotively strike North Korea and try overthrow or destroy their government before they develop a nuclear warhead and start stock piling nuclear armed ICBM's or we accept that North Korea is a nuclear armed nation.

I maybe being a bit of an alarmist here but it appears to me that if we EVER do go to war with North Korea again it will be in the not to distant future.

If we accept NK as a nuclear armed nation then we could see a nuclear arms race in Asia as Japan and ROK could decide to nuke up then other nations like Vietnam and the Philippines could decide it is in their best interest to nuke up and will likely upset China creating more hostility in the region.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: carewemust

EO 12333 expressly forbids assassination of foreign leaders.

EO 11905 does the same.

Assassinating foreign leaders generally doesn't lead anywhere good. Ever.

The midget is playing, and rather masterfully, a game of brinksmanship. Push, poke, prod, nudge, back away, "who me?"...push, poke, prod, nudge..."what, who me? Nope, not me." Rinse. Repeat. ...and he's good at it. He gets the response he wants every single time...

Those are EO's. and not laws. Technically Trump can repeal those instantly or retroactively. I might send him a suggestion to publicly announce the repeal of those.

a reply to: yuppa

I am aware that those are not Law, per say. You do know that turnabout is fair play, right?

Careful what y'all wish for, you may get it.

Now, my unpopular opinion aside...


I agree with this reaction by the US. Honestly I do.

You can't just allow a megalomaniac to start letting off ICBMs for fun.
Not now, not ever.

I don't believe Kim is as mental as people make out...
I certainly don't think he is mental enough to go to war with the US...
There is only one outcome there and it ends up with him getting Ghaddafied within the first day of War...


So what's his reasoning?

I've heard Aid, more than once.
US Aid.

Not to mention he has to keep up appearances as China's proxy, if it ever kicked off between China & the US.


But War?
Over this BS???

I'd be surprised.


I also agree with Seagull, vehemently...
Pre-emptive strike is the best bet.

Nullify what they launch and then give em a beat down.
Nothing too serious though.

Cool heads need to prevail here.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Now, my unpopular opinion aside...

I also agree with Seagull, vehemently...
Pre-emptive strike is the best bet.

Nullify what they launch and then give em a beat down.
/quote]

A while back you seemed to be questioning the standard narrative.

Yet now you advocate a blatant attack against a sovereign nation?

edit on 5-7-2017 by Nothin because: Can't get my sentences out of the quotation section.

a reply to: Nothin

Nullify what they launch...

This is what I said, actually.


I didn't advocate attacking a sovereign nation without a damn good reason.

A while back you seemed to be questioning the standard narrative.

I still do. Nothing has changed since my original post.

I'm just playing devil's advocate on both sides.

originally posted by: Damiel
Source

The US has said that it will use its "considerable military forces" on North Korea "if we must".

Describing the North's latest missile test as a sharp military escalation, the US ambassador to the United Nations said the US will table a new resolution against Pyongyang.

! Read the story !

Ostensibly a managable situation has festered...
Could Trump, concievably, irrationally,
decide to order a few Tomahawks to hit NK ?

Really? North Korea has said time and again, most recently yesterday, that their nuke program is not on the table for discussion.

N. Korea set the stage... The orchestra is engaged... The time to dance is quickly approaching.

a reply to: Misterlondon

Seemed not to go that way in a test under ideal circumstances.. i still sleel fine i dont live in south korea, japan, or the usa.

www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: MaestroMind
a reply to: carewemust

BINGO! YOU WIN A CIGAR!

We left N. Korea's regime in place for future # list purposes only. We could have him disappeared at any given time we choose. but, we have instead contrived and cultivated the Kim dynasty for future target fodder. and as crazy as it may seem tptb had this all boarded up many, many years ago.

Thanks, but give my CIGAR to Bill Clinton, if you don't mind. However, it is obvious that the United States is allowing Kim Jong to live, and to carry out his one-man war games as he pleases.

U.S. intelligence observed every moment before North Korea's ICBM test launch. It was not a surprise.
www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Nothin

Nullify what they launch...

This is what I said, actually.


I didn't advocate attacking a sovereign nation without a damn good reason.

A while back you seemed to be questioning the standard narrative.

I still do. Nothing has changed since my original post.

I'm just playing devil's advocate on both sides.

Well. Still confused then.

Usually like what you post, so will just accept that am unable to understand.

Wish peace for all folks.