CRTL-Left...Alt-Right......ARISE THE ALT-ALT!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I think it would be far less complicated for those who are tired of the rabid, back-biting, two party polarization of our country to simply stand up and be Americans. Together.

Creating yet another political sub-category is clever, to be sure. But if serious changes are to be made, cleverness will only result in more distraction within an already blurry, confused perspective as a nation.

What is needed is for every American who still thinks we're American first and are watching this train wreck, wondering what the hell is actually going on here, to start leading by example and stop feeding into all of this ridiculousness. Stop allowing chaos to reign by simply refusing to buy into any of it.

Politics is the worst kind of attention whore, and the very best way to thwart one of those is to walk away from it...and refuse to feed it what it wants. Any true social evolution is going to come from serious focus and commitment, and the ability to stop spending precious energy worrying about what everyone else thinks or does or says or wears or eats or believes in or any of the many stupid things this country appears to be so concerned with. Start working together instead of against each other. Jesus. It is such a very simple concept.

a reply to: tigertatzen

My system is pretty simple actually: carve out race / religion / gender / orgasm / ethnicity group identity BS from the national politics / party's / etc.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

We can't do without orgasm!

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: tigertatzen

My system is pretty simple actually: carve out race / religion / gender / orgasm / ethnicity group identity BS from the national politics / party's / etc.

Are you serious? This very thread is designed to further divide the members. You don't want peace, you want capitulation!

originally posted by: JBIZZ
I see the alt-right as people who do not support the establishment right but who still have conservative values. I believe the majority of the alt-right are libertarian constitutionalists. The minority of white supremacists of the alt-right should be called the alt-white. Bernie supporters should be called the alt-left. & Hillary & traditional DNC Establishment supporters should be called ctrl-left. I see little difference between establishment Republicans & establishment Democrats.

Tribalism is a primitive instinct hardwired into our brains for survival as a whole. Imo, without tribalism there is no such thing as any group. Sports teams wouldn't exist, eliminating certain sports. There would be no cultural differences in music, food, etc.. There would be no businesses or anything produced by a business & no governments, police or law & order. We might get there someday If the transhumanists have their way. "We are Borg. You will be assimilated Resistance is futile".

When i tuned back into society a year ago, I had the impression that the Bernie people would have been the good guys. It seemed inherent that the stage was set for Hillary to blame him for all the rioting BS. And then I saw Bernie join her side, and other little questionable details. Later I made a most compelling case that Hillary had "Paid Riot Squads" out there causing all that havoc to discredit both Trump & Bernie. And then in the prospect of being vindicated that the liberal base wasn't actually a bunch of violent thugs, instead the liberals around here scoffed and screamed at my piece. They chose to look like violent savages instead of those happenings having been artificially induced. And then the election ended and the rioting got going again. And I saw speakers at the events bitching about Hillary. And then I saw Bernie make a statement that justified the rioting and the hate crimes. And then 6 months later still when I bring it up again around here the liberals insist that Hillary didn't have paid riot squads, that they are in fact savages. All the while every single thread about 'liberal terrorism' the resident liberals run into them in droves defending the stuff.

All of which has really amped up my pessimism. While showing the destructive force of Hyper-Tribalism in politics.

The Alt-White designation not bad. Before I wrote this today I reviewed Breitbart's AR guide:

An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right
Anything associated as closely with racism and bigotry as the alternative right will inevitably attract real racists and bigots. Calmer members of the alternative right refer darkly to these people as the “1488ers,” and for all their talk of there being “no enemies to the right,” it’s clear from the many conversations we’ve had with alt-righters that many would rather the 1488ers didn’t exist.

These are the people that the alt-right’s opponents wish constituted the entire movement. They’re less concerned with the welfare of their own tribe than their fantasies of destroying others. 1488ers would likely denounce this article as the product of a degenerate homosexual and an ethnic mongrel.

Why “1488”? It’s a reference to two well-known Neo Nazi slogans, the first being the so-called 14 Words: “We Must Secure The Existence Of Our People And A Future For White Children.” The second part of the number, 88, is a reference to the 8th letter of the alphabet – H. Thus, “88” becomes “HH” which becomes “Heil Hitler.”

Not very edifying stuff. But if you want to use the 1488ers to tarnish the entire alt-right, you need to do the same with Islamist killers and Islam and third-wave feminist wackos with the entire history and purpose of feminism. Which you might well be fine with — but let’s be consistent.

Alt-right vlogger Paul “RamZPaul” Ramsey describes them as “LARPers” or Live-Action Role Players: a disparaging comparison to nerdy nostalgists who dress up as medieval warriors. Paul even goes as far as to suggest some in this “toxic mix of kooks and ex-cons” may be there solely to discredit the more reasonable white identitarians.

Every ideology has them. Humourless ideologues who have no lives beyond their political crusade, and live for the destruction of the great. They can be found on Stormfront and other sites, not just joking about the race war, but eagerly planning it. They are known as “Stormfags” by the rest of the internet.

Based on our research we believe this stands in stark contrast with the rest of the alt-right, who focus more on building communities and lifestyles based around their values than plotting violent revolution.

1488ers are the equivalent of the Black Lives Matter supporters who call for the deaths of policemen, or feminists who unironically want to #KillAllMen. Of course, the difference is that while the media pretend the latter are either non-existent, or a tiny extremist minority, they consider 1488ers to constitute the whole of the alt-right.

Those looking for Nazis under the bed can rest assured that they do exist. On the other hand, there’s just not very many of them, no-one really likes them, and they’re unlikely to achieve anything significant in the alt-right.

What little remains of old-school white supremacy and the KKK in America constitutes a tiny, irrelevant contingent with no purchase on public life and no support even from what the media would call the “far-Right.” (Admittedly, these days that includes anyone who votes Republican.)

And now note that according to Alt-Right "Red Ice" they're anti-libertarian:
Alt-Right: "We're not capitalists, we're not egalitarians, and we dont want democracy".

Last but not least, what I'm proposing here is a sane return t individuality (regarding politics). Which is the hive mind's worst enemy. As it is the SJW's worst enemy.

Now note that I contend that this SJW farce movement is the precursor to the Transhumanism Movement. That was my immediate impression a yer ago, and it didn't take me long at all to start spotting the markers of it being the ultimate divide & conquer scheme of the Technocrat Elitist's in both self-perpetuating divide & conquer (to divert society from paying their ambitions much mind), and in the the social engineering of their movement angles (just look at all this TRANS stuff you can find videos of 'actual' transhumanists already).

Now that I'm getting most the way through breaking all this identity / civil war BS down scientifically, I'm approaching relaunching my old "AGI Manhattan Project" series that's is to be updated with all the latest trends while also 'proving' the social engineering type stuff I just alluded to. If this stuff interests you I have talked a little about it the past year...
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a reply to: olaru12

Huh??!?!?!?

I've identified the core sources of divide, and have been working for a year to promote ideas of removing such, and that's meant to divide and cause a war?

Okay since it just came up in another thread, and I had to hassle a bit to find it, I'll post it here for future convenience:

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Ive been saying we need an "Alt/Alt" since last year (Sep, 14 2016 @ 12:27 AM to be exact):

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
What an effing war zone this "election" is. Imagine how insane the next "election" will be following the trend the past 20 years...

We need a new system... we need an Alt/Alt.....

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And I said it more than once last year, although that might be the first time I had...

I think you hit this one out of the park IIB! A very well-crafted and thought out OP that pretty much cuts to the heart of the issue here in the US. I found myself in complete agreement with you until you got the very end - but I'll pick up that point later.

I particularly thought this quote incisive and ominous:

Can you seriously deny that "social justice" in practice this decades hasn't played out as PAYBACK? Well you've had your fun. Either stop now or the Alt-Right will inevitably evolve into actual white supremacy. This "oppression" you've been screaming about will become reality. And the persecution will be universal. Peace will become futile.

Hasn't the pendulum swung far enough to left yet? You won't get any argument from me and the chatter I keep hearing is a rising of White identity politics. People are not just angry but are genuinely afraid and this makes for a volatile situation. Frankly, I'm surprised we haven't had more Anders Brevik-types going off the deep end. I think the right has shown enormous restraint in the face of growing hostility and violence.

Nationalism is something that most of us, as Americans can rally around. One problem is many want to wave Mexican flags instead. Oh, they like living here but complain it isn't actually part of Mexico because the United States "stole it". Forget the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, the fact we coughed up 15 or 20 million dollars and had actually taken Mexico city at the time. The United States could OWN Mexico today but we didn't want it, just the contested area above the Rio Grande river where not more than a couple thousand Mexicans actually lived.

The other problem is the casting of the United States as the evil empire which is fairly hard to argue against. Our imperialist tendencies since the Spanish American war have caused endless damage and misery around the globe. We even outdid Britain in our bid for empire. This is something that needs to be addressed and ENDED. We must return to fair trade and above-board foreign policy where we stop our meddling in the internal affairs of other Nations. The Cold War is long over and the domino theory doesn't hold water any longer. The CIA must be dismantled and our State Department needs a thorough housecleaning to ensure future fair dealings.

The only issue I took with your OP was "Socio-Agnosticism". You may be taking the literal definition of Agnostic as being unable to either prove or disprove the existence of God but I think that may go too far as many believe that God is provable. It's an unnecessarily divisive point in defining the collective ideals of a Nation.

At the end of the day we are still stuck with the triple problems of a ghastly National Debt, a bloated Federal Bureaucracy and the fast approach of Technocracy through automation and AI. Is it possible that we as Americans of every religion, race, ethnicity, sexual and gender orientation could agree on the primary problems we are facing that will affect the lives of ALL of us and not just the few?

I will say that the moral decline of our people is and will be the most difficult to overcome, if that is indeed even possible. I'm going to quote myself from a response in another thread but I think it's apt here:

Science and politics have replaced religion in transmitting our explanations of the world around us and the values we hold as humans in societies.

This means we must found a political system that contains a set of shared core values that we can all embrace. If not, then religion is the only way back to a moral basis for our society. The supernatural aspects of God have been preempted by science and rationalism. This leaves politics as the default arbiter of morality.

We certainly have our work cut out for us.
Excellent thread Ignoranceisntbliss.
Cheers,
ATA

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Argh that quote, so many typos. The woes of doing pieces like this in one pass first draft lol.

Well said. I need to re-write my "Socio-Agnosticism" piece.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

Hasn't the pendulum swung far enough to left yet? You won't get any argument from me and the chatter I keep hearing is a rising of White identity politics. People are not just angry but are genuinely afraid and this makes for a volatile situation. Frankly, I'm surprised we haven't had more Anders Brevik-types going off the deep end. I think the right has shown enormous restraint in the face of growing hostility and violence.

It really is something, that for all the SJW screams of OPPRESSION by whites etc that even after this whole decade of 'open season on whitey' there still has been the restraint in stooping to their BS metric that I'm rather surprised about. It's human nature to group up and fight back.

So that, plus how the ATS resident conservative types dont defend the little lone wolf examples the lib's do manage to pull up, keeps the darkness that can be found in the depths of the right off my radar. While the constant wide open in the streets extremism of the left, and the resident leftists defending them in every thread, keeps them on my radar.

So everyday I get labelled "Alt Right" & "conservative", which would be completely hilarious to me, except the part where they insist that the entirely of the Alt Right (people sick of open season on whitey) are in fact WHITE POWER extremists.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Start working together instead of against each other. Jesus. It is such a very simple concept.

I completely agree with everything in your post but what do we start working on?
Who gets to decide?
Were that it was so simple.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Start working together instead of against each other. Jesus. It is such a very simple concept.

I completely agree with everything in your post but what do we start working on?
Who gets to decide?
Were that it was so simple.

Oh I know. People need to stop pinning the Antifa, SJWs and BLM on the entire left. Simple.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

The left around here needs to stop defending them and their atrocities etc at every turn.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


The only identity that even makes sense in politics is nationality. Yes, that's right, nationalism. Either you're for your nation or you're not, if the only alternative is an appeal to a global open borders and a global government (globalism).

Nationalism has been in decline for centuries now, it's a dying ideology. The world is changing. Globalization is reality, period.

The internet has connected people from all over the world, the easy access to information that internet allows has played a major part in eliminating barriers. More and more people are marrying into other cultures, other races, other religions, etc

Travelling around the world is becoming easier , faster and cheaper each day. You can,from my country,purchase an airplane ticket to New York for lousy 200$ compared to 10-15 years ago where the very same ticket was 4-5 times more expensive.

Jobs. People are relocating where they are employed. It's normal today to get a job overseas and move. Employers are not giving jobs to people based on their nationality but to those most qualified and those willing to work for less.

It is not possible to stop globalization. People will keep opening up their minds to new cultures and ideas. Young people will keep traveling. Unemployed people will keep relocating.

On a personal note , I really enjoy reading your threads,even though I disagree with pretty much everything and find its content to be a tad naive.


star and flag anyway

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Deaf Alien

The left around here needs to stop defending them and their atrocities etc at every turn.

Who are they? Can you point them out for me?

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Globalization and Globalism aren't the same thing (while what you're actually describing is the Global Village). I did a big piece that went into detail about it. Here's a nice chunk of it:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

For many years we've been seeing a multifaceted of push for "Globalization". During the 2000's I more recall seeing the phrase the "Global Village" lead-in such dialogs. Now in this decade, that term seems more passé, where "Multiculturalism" has taken its place and is 'all' the buzz now one might think.

More or less, the general premise of the above concepts aren't inherently all that bad sounding, not on their surfaces, or in their spirit. A lot of 'all that' is coming naturally following mass transit enhanced migration patterns, and ever exceedingly efficient methods of mass communications. Me, I like exotic. If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other, so the song goes.

Meanwhile, it's critical to understand that before all of that yummy multicultural globalization village stuff there were The Globalists, and their motives have nothing to do with all of that touchy feely gushy stuff we might perceive to be inherently in all that 'global villagery' globalization agenda. Instead, it's more about an increasing push towards a multinational corporation + world central banker design of global dominance via the authority of a world government.

This general agenda has been going on for something like a 100 years now, following the gradual collapse of Colonialism. Globalism better understood as "Neocolonialism" than any of those other concepts (which are generally spoken with overtones of openness & kindness). Do note that Colonialism was navy enhanced imperialism, which enabled global empire building, and constitutes one of the darkest annals of human history. Since the advent of mass communications 100 years ago, brute force imperialism of old is a mostly hopeless endeavor, whereas since the fall of the Nazi's & Imperial Japan it's only been acceptably possible via the sneaky Cold War, further reduced following that leaving only this notion of the American Empire being the "Benevolent Empire". All of which enabled solely by mass scale propaganda (via mass communications). Even that push for imperialism is mostly seen for what it is, except for here in the US.

All of this underscores the only real prospect for a total global empire, which is Globalism. While the idea of globalization isn't inherently bad, it in practice (by the authority figures & institutions that push for it) keeps proving to be more to the tune of a Globalist push for a global government.

Thanks to mass scale propaganda, the key 5 terms herein so far have all become interchangeable, their positives elevated while criticisms of their negatives spun as being "xenophobic", and as such are now widely adopted in much of Western Civilization and beyond. We already have the global village thanks to mass communications, transit and trade. Nobody is really complaining about all that, yet for some reason the masses have been convinced of this idea that this isn't good enough, and that we should go full bore towards a total global government.

This idea seems to be most hardy here in the US, and in the EU, despite the fact that at the federal levels in both governmental institutions, things like accountability and these governments being in touch with the will of the people about as grand a lesson in railroading as can be imagined. Therefore, the idea of adding yet more higher up layers above out working models is beyond comprehension, in my view. Add in the fact that once a global government is established, with no more independent nations to oppose it, as it evolves into being a dark system of oppression (as governments have a long historical tendency of doing), there would be o one left to oppose it. This reality is something you will never hear Globalists speak to.

Backing up, originators of the neocolonial global government push helped form the UN, and the UN has been the main fountainhead of 'global village means world government' type rhetoric in recent decades. While the overall premise of the United Nations isn't so bad, and even needed, these Globalists have been at the helm of it and essentially every world power for ages. ...

My point wasnt that nationalism should even be an ideology, but this bizarre loathing of ones own nation with the goal of handing over sovereignty to some global government model is absolute insanity.

You really might ought to check out that full piece there.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

More intellectual dishonesty from you. You know precisely what I'm talking about, and you've seen it a plenty I'm certain as for a year I've been as a norm harping about it in every thread (which is in every single thread where people are calling out criticizing liberal terrorism.

It's such a rampant fact of life in this site that my critique of the practice recently matured to this point:
Everyday Terrorist Sympathizers

I'd probably start quoting people from now on bumping the thread there every time with it, but it'd probably violate T&C while my work around here already has enough people wanting to snatch me up from behind with a piano wire as it is.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Your thread you linked is about Islam sympathizers. Not relevant.
Anyway sure go ahead and quote those people who you think defend Antifa. The only one I can remember is an actual Antifa member who explained that his group was not a part of the violent Antifa group at Berkeley.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

MORE INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY!

You participated in that thread and know all about how that Islam sympathizing was only a single talking point on a list of many.

A shame. For a while now I've been hoping you were one of the few rare moderate liberals that could be reached, that is to be capable of being reasoned with. With your activities in these two threads tonight there's no longer any doubt about your game and what you're doing here... totally disingenuous derailment of anti-SJW discussions 'creature'. I really set you off tonight with this piece that obliterates your beloved Identity Politics and triggered you to expose yourself.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Quit with "intellectual dishonesty" crap. The only intellectual dishonesty here is from you.
You continue to expose yourself.
I just realized that this was your thread and not the Antifa thread. My bad.
Anyway sure quote those that defend radical Islamic terrorists.
Go ahead.