Hillsborough Cover-Up Completed

The establishment has completed the Hillsborough cover-up by giving us the scapegoat Patsy Duckenfield.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Hillsborough match commander David Duckenfield, former chief constable Sir Norman Bettison and four other people are to be prosecuted over offences relating to the Hillsborough disaster.

Patsy Duckenfield was put in that position by ACC Walter Jackson, the man in charge.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk...

Other key figures on the day include former Assistant Chief Constable Walter Jackson. He was the most senior South Yorkshire Police officer at the ground and failed to use the codeword “catastrophe”, intended for use in the event of a major incident.

Walter waltzes away scot-free, as he was presumably promised when he took on the role.

Much more can be learned about Hillsborough culpability from this video.

Walter is seen clearly in charge in plain clothes at 1:20:00. It's quite clear who's calling the shots.

a reply to: Kester

All I can say about this tragic event, more precisely about this proceeding, is that it took FAR too long for this to get to court, and that there should be more people facing charges.

But on the wider matter of investigations into avoidable tragedies of this nature, I have to also say the following. If it takes anything like as long for the Grenfell Tower fire incident to produce a criminal proceeding against virtually everyone between the management company and the core of government itself, there ought to be a bloody civil war.

The other opiate of the masses,"Sports" are designed to divide us, prepare us for war, just like religion.

Go figure, a war breaks out among "Fans".

Not sure that the people being prosecuted are 'patsies'. They appear to have been the people ultimately responsible for the disaster. If it were a question of other people being prosecuted, who should they be?

They are looking to prosecute the police chief who was responsible

What else do you think should be done OP, who else do you think is responsible?

Links if possible.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

He says quite clearly Walter waltzes. Might want to get yourself some new reading glasses pal.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

He says quite clearly Walter waltzes. Might want to get yourself some new reading glasses pal.

But OP is just assuming that. If you read the article he's linked to, it says that the names of the people being prosecuted aren't known to the public yet. Walter whatsisname is one of the people who might be prosecuted.

I understand the frustration, but don't tell me that you were expecting actual justice Kes. I know you are just not that naive.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

He says quite clearly Walter waltzes. Might want to get yourself some new reading glasses pal.

And you might want to get yourself some new manors, pal.

Who the hell is walter Watzes, I done a search for him earlier on and the only thing i could fine connecting him to Hillsborough was this thread.

Anyway I was asking the OP, who I know is perfectly able to answer for himself.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Walter Jackson.
In the op if you did read it all.

originally posted by: glen200376
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Walter Jackson.
In the op if you did read it all.

I did read it all.

The OP talks about Walter Watzes though, who is that?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

No. At no point does the OP refer to a "Walter Watzes".

He clearly refers to Walter Jackson, just after the first quoted segment of the OP, by name, then goes on to state, beneath another quoted segment, that:

Walter waltzes away scott-free, as he was presumably promised, when he took on the role.

I have no idea where you are getting this "Watzes" nonsense from, but it is not the OP of this thread, which, for the record, has not been edited to remove any spelling or grammatical errors.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Sorry i see now, I am dyslexic and sometimes I miss read stuff.

My apologies

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

My mistake I need the reading glasses pal. Haha Walter Jackson, and Watzes is a typo you made not me, waltzes away should have been the context.

I'm not sure the police were in a position to prevent a tragedy at Hillsborough but only to mitigate it.
May as well blame the poor design of the stadium with limited access/egress, the council who approved building it, the beer vendors and the sports clubs whose unrestrained passions were ultimately the cause of the disaster.

a reply to: surfer_soul

you might want to read what i have said above. pal.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I just have and I'm in the same boat, I'd be lost without spell check, truly!
And calling someone pal isn't an insult where I'm from. Lets not let the thread drift though, my apologies.

a reply to: audubon

The lie is here in The New York Times.

www.nytimes.com...

. . . the families had applauded when they learned that “the most senior police officer on that particular day will have charges presented to him.”

Walter Jackson was the most senior constable present on the day and considered himself in command. As the video shows his overall authority was not questioned. He was capable.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I dealt with two armed seiges whilst I've been with South Yorkshire, one lasted five days the others two days, and I, I took the view because it was firearms I should take responsibility, . . . . . . Another one that I also took control of was the two, we had two riots at Lindholme Prison in Doncaster. I turned out to that, went to the Force Ops Room and took charge of that . . .

Here in his own words, while being questioned under caution by CC 'I'm not a Mason' Sharp.

Pages 1131/2 and 1297. You have to dig to find this stuff, they won't splash it acrosss the media.

hillsborough.independent.gov.uk...

. . . certain members of the public decided to make specific allegations against named police officers and you are one of those officers, and you've already been served with a Regulation 6 Notice dealing with those specific complaints. The nature of those complaints and the particular duty you were performing at Hillsborough on the 15th of April 1989 suggest that you may have contributed to the deaths of some of those that died, also that you may have failed to perform your lawful duty as a Police Officer on the 15th of April 1989 at Hillsborough.

. . . did you give any orders or did you consider yourself to be in command of the incident?

Yeh. I considered that I was in command of a major, a major, developing major incident sir . . .

He really muffed his words there in my opinion.

First he says he was in command of a major incident. It was a deliberate black op. Mass murder for profit. He was a central part of that so he knew it was a major incident.

Then he remembered that was supposed to be a secret so he modified it to a developing major incidemt. But in spite of his skill in recognising it was a developing major situation he failed to use the codeword catastrophe which would have ensured a proportionate response. Guilty, guilty, guilty.

When all else fails, obfuscation.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

"Yeh. I mean going in there I think, I mean, they were all extremely busy. There was a lot of noise outside. I think really I would describe it is generally busy and concerned about what was happening on the ground sir cause it was an unusual thing you know footballs hundreds of people to be there."

Funny. I can't find my thread 'Hillsborough, The Eloquence' using the ATS search. Anyone know why?

Try it. Go to the thread at the link, copy the title and paste it into the search bar. Nothing for me. Is ATS going the way of YouTube or is there another explanation?

a reply to: Kester

The government did what they always do.....Make sure that the wheels of justice grind so slowly that by the time they eventually get up to speed, no one who really did any wrong ever gets punished.


It's the same wit paedo MP's and Lords...Their crimes are hushed up until the victims are dead or they are "too ill" to stand trial or time has sufficiently muddied the waters to make a conviction all but impossible.



Whatever else, I hope Duckenfield and Bettison go down for their lies, if nothing else.