Here is our Presidents Math on Obama care...In another TWEET "Official White House Statement."

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: underwerks


Seems to me the man makes up his OWN facts quite often....I mean in the tweet He EMPHASIZED .....FACT: I bet you a bunch of people think it is fact, because he said it, and they did not even look at the numbers, they just read and nod, uh huh!

Ahem... like how you read the tweet and didn't look at the numbers? 23M - 10.3M = 12.7M / 10.3M x 100 = 123.3%. Hypocrisy at it's finest right here.

Mods should close this thread now... or change the title to, "Breaking News: Dems and elementary school students don't know basic math"

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Lmao. "The narrative is collapsing" said every Trump supporter incessantly and nobody else. Which makes you wonder if it's not so much that a "narrative collapsed" as a narrative of a "narrative collapsing" has taken root.

But please, explain what "Russian narrative" has collapsed and how? I've read it about 10,000 times in the last few months on ATS but it doesn't seem to be having any effect on the real world. Mueller and his team are still investigating Russian interference in the election and possible collusion. Both houses of Congress still have their own investigations going and as of last week, Trey Gowdy was saying they were about 10% done.

Hell, even Trump is now saying that the Russians "probably did it" and blaming Obama for not making it a bigger issue during the election which is hilarious because had he done so and Trump lost, Trump would be on Twitter 24/7 blaming Obama for his loss.

The only thing that has changed is now there's a big push among the faithful to pretend that if Trump and Putin didn't personally collude, there's "nothing to see here."

That's something happening in the Trump bubble. The rest of us are just as concerned as we always were and patiently awaiting the conclusion of the Mueller investigation.

EDIT:

inadvertently misfired reply to wrong post/poster first time around

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Hazardous1408



"silly thread to be honest" I am sorry, are the numbers correct in his Tweet? No they are not! He states a FACT then gives MISINFORMATION. The information in his tweet is FALSE., His tweets, in the United States we have been TOLD are "OFFICAL WHITE HOUSE STATEMENTS"?

They're learning from EACH OTHER, going caps to make important POINTS. We should probably GIVE UP now, because caps make things important. I remember another DEFT debater on the left who uses the SAME TACTIC.

I really think this is all staged. Before the most recent elections we all knew that the 2 party system is a fraud, that both sides work for the same agenda. Somehow, with the 2016 elections, even us conspiracy theorists got fooled so bad that we got sucked right back into the fake politicial system. Everybody started choosing sides, Hillary or Trump, and all hell broke lose on ATS.

Trump might be stupid, I don't know, but after making the same mistake several times (non-factual Twitter posts), he would've learned his lesson. He's not that stupid, I mean, he's a succesfull businessman for # sake. So, I wonder... Why does he keep making the same mistakes? Do they want him to play stupid, for whatever reason? I don't know, but I doubt he has an IQ of 50...

The elite are pretty much all powerfull, right? So, why did they let him win then? They could've done anything to stop that. Yet, they didn't... Are they so far ahead of their plans that they decided to take a little vacation?

As I look at the US, I see it falling into civil war more each day. End result being martial law. Isn't that exactly what the elite planned? When I look at things like even more increased military spending (Seriously...? What for?), a wall, non-imprisoned Hillary, Zionist supporting, etc etc etc, it seems he's pretty much on the same team as all the guys before him.

I don't know... At first I also believed in him, but after a while, doubts started kicking in. Especially the fact that they didn't stop him from becoming president... Why?!

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Anyway, the MSM is now fake news imo - they have been caught red handed time and time again pushing fake anti-Trump slop, the rise in alternative media will hopefully wipe it off the map of humanities future for good - relegate the MSM to the history books so as to teach children about the reality of propaganda and politically motivated brainwashing.

What alternative media is it that you're speaking of?

I'm curious because I can list on one hand the sources of independent journalism that aren't complete s#. I often see threads where people ask about trustworthy independent sources and there's never more than a suggestion or two.

More often, what people are referring to as "alternative media" around here is even less accurate and far more heavily biased garbage from the likes of Breitbart.

I think having a lot more independent sources with less editorial bias would be great, I'm just not seeing it and I'm concerned that people are simply deluding themselves into believing anything "non-MSM" is somehow better when it's often worse.

Ummm...100% of 10.3 is 10.3

23 - 10.3 = 12.7

So that is over 100% off, but Trump was obviously just rounding it off/rough estimate for effect.

a reply to: theantediluvian

So you're really trying to tell me that after the recent turn of events, that the narrative is as strong as ever and didn't lose any legs at all?

It's definitely collapsing, but if it makes you feel any better to be able to move the goal posts, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend that I didn't see you move them.

But don't let me stop you from hanging on to whatever you still can and hoping for something to come from the "ongoing investigations"


Wait, do we really hope something comes from it? I guess the answer depends on who you ask right?

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: kurthall

It is extremely important to some folks to focus on Trumps tweets and the stupidity a leftist interprets from them - if he suddenly stopped tweeting then CNN, MSNBC, CBS and ABC would go out of business tomorrow - they'd have nothing to bitch about.

Trump acts like his tweets should be re guarded as the official word by him so why shouldn't they be targeted. Trump is getting to where he only wants butt kissers asking him questions and his press secretary is an idiot so what else should they do.

originally posted by: kurthall
OMG, come on trump....in his tweet this is exactly what he says....."FACT: when #Obamacare was signed, CBO estimated that 23M would be covered in 2017. They were off by 100% . Only 10.3M are covered". I wonder how many people believe that???That right there is FAKE NEWS!!!!
That is our president, doing a 2nd grade math problem, stating its FACT, and he is WRONG AGAIN!!!

www.yahoo.com...

Is that the way you see it? Nice sig.

I like how you ditched this thread once you were proven wrong, priceless.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Lmao. "The narrative is collapsing" said every Trump supporter incessantly and nobody else. Which makes you wonder if it's not so much that a "narrative collapsed" as a narrative of a "narrative collapsing" has taken root.

"But Russia" said every Anti-Trump pontificator incessantly and nobody else. Which makes us wonder if "but Russia" is simply their narrative that they are so stuck on and invested in that their very essence depends on that narrative being believed, whether truthful or not.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

It'll be none too soon when people stop saying "narrative" tens of thousands of times a day. Why don't you tell me what you do or don't believe happened regarding Russian interference.

The "Russian narrative" doesn't really indicate anything specific. I suspect that what you are actually referring to is the possibility of Donald J Trump colluding with the Russians?

Not only have I ever asserted that there was any evidence of Trump personally colluding with Russia, I've said on a number of occasions, going back to last year, that if there was any collusion, I doubted Trump was personally involved.

Collusion would be a big deal. Given the circumstances, it only makes sense that as part of the investigation into Russian meddling in the our election, that certain Trump associates needed to be looked at:

Paul Manafort - worked for Putin lapdog and deposed Ukranian despot, Viktor Yanukovych, for more than a decade. After Putin extricated him from Ukraine, Paul Manafort continued to work for the Party of Regions and AFAIK, he was still working for them as of the point where he started advising Trump. Paul Manafort has come up during the anti-corruption investigations in Ukraine, most notably his name appeared alongside millions of dollars worth of entries in a ledger of bribes and payoffs. Paul Manafort has a history of personal corruption and has admitted to peddling influence in testimony to Congress. Paul Manafort has shady business dealings with Russian and Ukranian oligarchs, one of whom is suing him for millions of dollars. Paul Manafort's own daughter told his other daughter that he had people in the Ukraine killed, that she observed clandestine communication and other unsavory things. I could go on about Manafort but it suffices to say that to pretend that he doesn't have Kremlin ties as part of his work in Ukraine is absurd.

Carter Page - Spent years setting up deals for Gazprom. After leaving Merril Lynch, started a company which is primarily invested in Gazprom. SVR tried to recruit him in 2013 and he wasn't showing any signs of rejecting their advances. In the summer he took a trip to Moscow to give a speech and local media reports asserted that he met with a sanctioned Russian official from inside Putin's inner circle.

We know that Mike Flynn flat lied about his contact with the Russians which is why, he doesn't have a job currently. I personally don't believe that Flynn colluded but his lies and omissions make him look very suspicious.

Looking into these people is not a "witch hunt." The only way that would even make sense to say is if you didn't believe that there was Russian meddling in the election.

But the possibility of collusion is only one aspect of the investigation and as Comey said, Donald Trump wasn't even under investigation for collusion. He apparently told Comey that if any of the "satellites" involved in his campaign were guilty of collusion, he wanted to know. Sounds to me like he was acknowledging the very legitimate need for investigation.

I don't want to do all the talking or put words in your mouth. So please, tell me what you're referring to when you say the "collapsing narrative."

a reply to: burdman30ott6

"But Russia" said every Anti-Trump pontificator incessantly and nobody else. Which makes us wonder if "but Russia" is simply their narrative that they are so stuck on and invested in that their very essence depends on that narrative being believed, whether truthful or not.

What narrative? Can you be specific? Are you saying that you don't believe that the Russians meddled in the election? Do you not believe that they pushed fake news? Used troll farms to influence social media? Hacked or attempted to hack state election websites? Hacked the DNC, DCCC, etc?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Its quite simple really.

The basic premise was that Trump colluded with Russia in some way that was impeachable. Atleast that's how it began, but it slowly started to morph and branch out to wherever it could in hopes of attaching to something tangible. The quote "throw # till something sticks" comes to mind.

Long story short, here we are today, still throwing # and hoping something sticks. The goal post has now been moved to an immovable spot - for now - the "still under investigation" deflection.

Let's be honest here; does Trump have relationships with Russia? I would think a billionaire business mogul would have international connections. Are all his cabinet picks part of the swamp with international connections as well? As you adequately shown in your swamp maps, of course. They all are connected in one way or another, it's the 1%ers we are talking about here.

Now was there collusion? Did they work together on some way to influence the election? Probably, but guess what, politics is a dirty game that they ALL play. They are ALL playing the SAME game, and to say otherwise would be extremely naive.

This whole Russian narrative was the result of a bitter loss and an angle they took because it would be EASY to play on the masses. Because I mean, Russia bad bad right? But in reality they are all scum playing the same dirty game. It's like a thief blaming another thief and hoping nobody notices he is one as well.

I say the narrative is collapsing because once you realize that everything is based on and derived from the first basic premise, which was based on fallacies, the rest is moot. The narrative is collapsing because there is nothing else to hang on to other than "ongoing investigations", collapsing narrative because the main source of this narrative (the media) is proven time and time again to have a deliberate agenda based on fallacies.

A better question I would ask is, how is the narrative NOT collapsing? What's left other than "still under investigation" ?

Because let's face it, anything Trump or his administration is guilty of, the (for a lack of a better word) anti-Trump movement is also guilty of, if not worse.

So to put it in perspective, are we really trying to impeach Trump because of collusion or is it a witch hunt from a party still shocked and bitter from their loss?

a reply to: theantediluvian

I think I can show you 10 Democrat financial connections to Russia for every 1 connection the MSM has been able to demonstrate between Administration members and Russia. I don't think Russia hacked the DNC, nor do I believe they influenced the election with anything false. I think Podesta struck a deal with Putin, it floundered, and Russia chickened out leaving the Dems throwing wild accusations out of desperation.

a reply to: kurthall

Its not "Do You Yahoo ? " anymore
It is now "Are You an Ignorant Yahoo ?"

a reply to: kurthall

A typical liberal remark,kind of like mispelling of coffee,if they had been quoting figures it would be different,but he gave an arbitrary answer,and yes,several were left uninsured by Obamacare,since when can liberals count anyway? they learned core math,moot point

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
No doubt to his supporters it's only leftist vegan fake mathematicians who will say this is wrong

No doubt a Brit who supports open borders and his country being invaded would have a snide comment?

FACT! The CBO has always been political and the CBO has NEVER been right!

#TommyRobinson

Figured I would trigger you with a hash tag!

I really do think ATS should considerer IQ tests and minimum age requirements before letting just anyone in...

#Hillaryforpresident.

Figured I would "Trigger" you like some daft teenager also

a reply to: burdman30ott6


I did not ditch this thread. I have a life. No, I am not wrong. As was pointed out by others. You can go back to kissing trumps rear now. Instead of re inventing math. If trump were right with his stupid tweet 0 would be covered.....That is a FACT! If you had the math question, you would be WRONG. If the COB said 27 million would be covered and trump says they were off by 100% that would mean 0 would be covered. You must have struggled in math.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

The basic premise was that Trump colluded with Russia in some way that was impeachable. Atleast that's how it began, but it slowly started to morph and branch out to wherever it could in hopes of attaching to something tangible. The quote "throw # till something sticks" comes to mind.

I disagree completely. Take a look at my threads on the topic of Russian intervention in the election:

EC Voting Almost Over, Can We Talk About Russian Intervention Now?

As of a half an hour ago, with the EC voting completed in 43 states, President-elect Donald J Trump had 259 electoral votes to 156 for Hillary Clinton. As predicted by myself and other non-hysterical posters, there was no great number of faithless electors. The much hyped fake "coup" scaremongering proved to be just more clickbait for the easily clickbaited.

All the Internet tough guy self-styled revolutionaries blathering ominously about their guns ended up getting their panties in a bunch over nothing.

Now with the EC paranoia behind us, will the hysterical denialism over Russian interference during our presidential election also become a thing of a past? Will we be able to have reasoned discussions about the evidence of the Russian goverment attempting to effect the election? How about their continued attempts to influence US politics? The implications of this sort of meddling and manipulation and what the appropriate response should be?

Or is still too soon and too likely to trigger some folks?

What will it take? Acceptance by President-elect Trump? Does the cult need to be given the okay to believe objective reality again? Will President-elect Trump stop lying long enough to let his faitful followers off the hook?

That's from December 19th. Notice that collusion isn't even mentioned. From a week earlier:

Investigating Russian Intervention is Racist!

Not one mention of collusion. December 9th:

Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

Not one mention of collusion. That's not to say that the possibility of collusion wasn't discussed — and why wouldn't it be given the circumstances? Even then, somebody as anti-Trump as myself was avoiding making any bold assertions. From November 10th:

WOW. Russia Confirms Contact With Trump Campaign

Well this is good to know. Now. Our newly minted President-elect and his campaign team did in fact have contact with Russian officials throughout and lied about it, right up to the end.

And I sure as hell wasn't talking about impeachment. From October 18th:

Pence Says Evidence Points To Russian Hacking And Russia Should Face "Severe Consequences"

These two just can't seem to get on the same page. I guess Pence must have ideas of his own (as horrible and barbaric as some might be like taxpayer funded "conversion therapy") and so he's not suceptible to the whispers of pro-Putin advisors/propagandists, Steve Bannon, morons on Twitter and whoever else is around that he can sponge ideas from.

Again, no mention of collusion. And if you can read between the lines just a little bit you'll see what was frustrating some of us. Perhaps the biggest problem all along has been that Donald Trump hasn't been able to acknowledge Russian interference at all because that would open the door to the possibility that maybe it benefitted him.

The bulk of the impeachment talk has centered around what? Trump's interactions with Comey. Back to you post:

This whole Russian narrative was the result of a bitter loss and an angle they took because it would be EASY to play on the masses. Because I mean, Russia bad bad right? But in reality they are all scum playing the same dirty game. It's like a thief blaming another thief and hoping nobody notices he is one as well.

That's not accurate. As you can see just from above, Russian interference in the election was a topic way before election day.

I say the narrative is collapsing because once you realize that everything is based on and derived from the first basic premise, which was based on fallacies, the rest is moot. The narrative is collapsing because there is nothing else to hang on to other than "ongoing investigations", collapsing narrative because the main source of this narrative (the media) is proven time and time again to have a deliberate agenda based on fallacies.

There you go. What has evolved in the mind's of Trump supporters is this "narrative" that investigating Russian interference is primarily about collusion and results from HRC losing the election. In fact, it's just part of the bigger "narrative" that anything critical of Trump, that possibily reflect negatively on Trump, etc is all a result of "butthurt over the election."

It's just bulls#. Take collusion off the table completely, these investigations would still be happening and Trump and his supporters would still be angrily dismissive because they're all afraid of the same thing — admitting that the Russians meddled in the election means that the Russian's choice in leaders won and that to a degree we cannot know, their efforts contributed to his win.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

What recent turn of events are you talking about?
There has been no events that indicate the investigation is over or needs to be or should be .
And no the narrative is not collapsing.
You just wish it would.

I'm betting on financial crimes myself.