What would be the undeniable proof

originally posted by: szino9

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: szino9

Nothing. ..because they are here.. always were. We ignore all evidence.

There will never be any kind of disclosure..because we already have had it.. .and refuse it.

I hear this a lot lately. Disclosure already happening. What disclosure? Personal stories/sightings? Yes some of them plausible, not disclosure. Thousand years old cave drawings or other weird findings? Ok, interesting but not disclosure.

Don't get me wrong I want to believe, but disclosure is when the majority of the 7 billion people is on the same page.

I don't think undeniable proof will exist unless we can walk down the street at any place in the world and see ets walking among us. People that are quite obviously non human and not in costume.

If they look human then i think we're out of luck.

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

The possibility they would be exactly like us out of the 10to infinity options in evolution is basically 0.

originally posted by: Templeton
a reply to: szino9

A laser pointer for hologram detection. It will show real quick if something is physically real or not. Its interesting that pointing these at the sky is illegal, no?

Nice idea!

I've never heard of this... you wouldn't think that lasers pointers are strong enough to go high enough to mess with aerial instruments or craft...

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

The possibility they would be exactly like us out of the 10to infinity options in evolution is basically 0.

True UNLESS they seeded life here and we are them and they are us.

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

...things your interactive subconsciousness would say.

a reply to: szino9

Undeniable proof? Not sure there is such a thing. Anyone can deny anything at any time, and some "skeptics" make a wonderful claim for denying even the best cases.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
A live event sporting or otherwise. Say the World Cup final, and they land in the middle of the pitch and show themselves.

That works for me, too, but only after full-time...unless my team were losing badly.

Btw, this could be termed an, API - Alien Pitch Invasion! Sorry, couldn't resist.

a reply to: szino9

We had heads of state and countries and panels of expert gov witnesses, professors and entire countries releasing all they have...and they keep at it. And its not enough..it will never be enough for everyone, everywhere, every language, religion etc.

No one group speaks for the world...and the whole world as one...doesnt believe in whats already here, or what thousands of years of evidence shows...not gonna happen...too bad.

Because its real...already stated and evidenced..and still...not happening

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: szino9

A meet & greet.

With an open bar, preferably!

Not endorsing any exotic theories, but the illegality of laser-pointers (in connection with blinded airline pilots) has never made sense to me.

I mean, a laser beam is pretty much the definition of a straight line, right? So how on earth does it shine into the cockpit of an airplane, since the source is on the ground below?

I'm guessing I have drastically misunderstood something, but no news report that I've seen on this topic has ever cleared it up.

a reply to: szino9

All you need to do is to look at the Apollo Moon missions to see that people can dismiss the best data when they have a fixation on the negative. Every aspect can be said to be lies, staged, manufactured, fake or didn't happen. Or look at 9/11. The proof is out there that it was three planes, four actually, but denied one way or another.

"My mind was already made up," is an apt description of how the mind works when it has been challenged, and cognitive dissidence is the official name of the psychological term when actual proof is denied out of hand to allow the initial belief, opinion or attitude to be maintained. A college psychology course of that title: "The Science of Belief, Opinion and Attitude Change" was a course that demonstrated for me how it all worked to allow us to keep our mental spheres within understandable ranges of sanity. Sadly, logic, data, honesty or reality had little to do with what we keep as reall versus what we ignore or deny because to accept the truth would be fatal to our world outlook.

UFOs are reality, folks. The Earth is a Third World world (3WW)of a primitive order as demonstrated by our inability to think clearly about even the most basic facts of the cosmos.

Let me drag out my Proof List again:

1. Multiple and numerous photos of videos of the same object, filmed from multiple perspectives, all by people who are not anonymous.
2. Some kind of physical artifact (an actual alien would be nice) that is linked by a clear chain of evidence to the object / manifestation in #1.
3. More than one independent expert or team of experts who can verify that the object in question is indeed "alien," by whatever standard makes that possible -- elemental, technological, knowledge, etc.
4. Recognized world leader(s) -- President, Pope, etc. -- who make an announcement agreeing with the experts in #3.
5. The possibility that I might be able to actually see or even touch the thing itself to prove to myself that it is real.

Of course, people tell me that my requirements are a little difficult. My response is that if it's actually a real thing, then it would be shockingly easy, and also, if you're willing to settle for anything less than at least 1-3, then you're a sucker.

Gonna go with the easy answer.
I wanna see a few "Thor" moments. Like in Stargate. All military weapons temporarily disappeared, Yank a bunch of nation leaders to them then broadcast the mayhem live. By mayhem I mean a little Thor looking dude telling them all to quit hollering and listen up.

Several quick stunts like that would about cover it for me.


It beats the "Falling Skies" method.

originally posted by: audubon
Not endorsing any exotic theories, but the illegality of laser-pointers (in connection with blinded airline pilots) has never made sense to me.

I mean, a laser beam is pretty much the definition of a straight line, right? So how on earth does it shine into the cockpit of an airplane, since the source is on the ground below?

I'm guessing I have drastically misunderstood something, but no news report that I've seen on this topic has ever cleared it up.

Try google "laser pointer cockpit"?

All beams including lasers have divergence (spread over distance).

a reply to: szino9

@What would be the undeniable proof?

They could park a small group of their craft out near the Sun where amateur astronomers and S.O.H.O SDO types of equipment can see them. Then they send a smaller group to LUNAR moon for direct communication with the planet EA*RTH. And sit there for about a week with no communication until world systems governing the planet from various land masses begin to explain what they know.

If they are telepathically inclined and have access to telepathy technologies they would after a EA*RTH week of gathering everyone and everythings conscious collective data simply respond to what is one the minds of many...
They could respond to humans via interceptions of all global communications audio, video, internet by accessing all communications technologies from television, to radios to cell phones.
And then give the planet two more EA*RTH weeks to think about the responses to their questions asked mentally and verbally. During this time the planets governing systems would compile more detailed data for the masses asking questions.

NAMASTE*******

a reply to: szino9

For one possible scenario...

Full UFO disclosure by the United States government [if they release the possible Ultra Top Secret UFO files], should give the world the 'undeniable proof' that we need.

a reply to: Erno86
Would a science lab analysis of UFO crash debris qualify as 'undeniable proof'? http//:www.ufocrashbook.com/pdsf/Analysis%20Report%20on%20Metal%20samples. pdf

a reply to: szino9

Before answering this question, you have to define what you mean by the words "abolute undeniable proof". What consitutes that depends on you, the question-poser, not any answerers. When you finish defining it in detail, then the answer will likely be obvious.

Word-games don't prove anything, so you need to be very specific. Typically a proof involves a repeatable test that can be done by different parties.

If you want to make this harder, ask what would consitute absolute undeniable proof that aliens had been here in the past, or that planet X somewhere has aliens on it.

Hundreds coming clean all over the place, normal people, family people, for over 50 years or more, describing the same missing time scenarios, same beings, same physical and neurological procedures, etc would do it just fine.

Oh... wait.

a reply to: meteoritelima

Hmm. Just read that report. The scientist was a UFO believer before he conducted the experiments, and the paper is determined to get to an ET-compatible outcome.

Some of it is slightly bonkers (as when he appears to have attempted to use dowsing techniques to analyse the material).

And some of it is blatantly distorted, e.g., the claim that 'this kind of aluminium may not have been available in the 1940s' appears in the conclusion as 'this kind of aluminium was not available in the 1940s' (paraphrases, but not by much).

The only thing in there that surprised me was the analysis of the isotopic profiles of the alloy materials, which appear to differ dramatically from what the author claims are normal terrestrial isotopic profiles for each element.

This looks significant, but my suspicion is that the author is comparing the isotopic profiles of the elements in the sample material against the normal terrestrial isotopic profiles of each element in its naturally-occurring state.

As in, he's probably comparing raw ore of each metal with refined versions used in manufacturing. There isn't enough indication of the author's sources to be able to resolve this. But on the other hand, the author hasn't provided enough indication of his sources to back up his own stance.