WWII Survivor Warns of Socialism and Gun Control

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

If someone got 98% popular vote then wouldn't the EC also give them the win?

Sorry but I'm not buying the fear mongering. Democracy=/=mob rule in a constitutional republic no matter what the voting scheme is.

Just came across a nice little list of quotes, this is why the U.S. is a republic and not a pure democracy:

Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.
~ James Madison

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
~ John Adams

A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way. The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness [excessive license] which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty.
~ Fisher Ames, Author of the House Language for the First Amendment

We have seen the tumult of democracy terminate ... as [it has] everywhere terminated, in despotism.... Democracy! savage and wild. Thou who wouldst bring down the virtuous and wise to thy level of folly and guilt.
~ Gouverneur Morris, Signer and Penman of the Constitution

The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.7
~ John Quincy Adams

A simple democracy ... is one of the greatest of evils.
~ Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration

In democracy ... there are commonly tumults and disorders... Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth.
~ Noah Webster

Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state, it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.
~ John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration

It may generally be remarked that the more a government resembles a pure democracy the more they abound with disorder and confusion.
~ Zephaniah Swift, Author of America’s First Legal Text

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

EC and popular vote do not define "pure" democracy or republic. It is just a voting scheme.

a reply to: daskakik

A pure democracy is just that; 100% by the people and for the people, the difference between that and a republic is that people delegate some power to elected officials. You are right to some extent though, electing any type of leader isn't what I would really call a "pure" democracy, because people would simply vote directly on all government actions in a full blown pure democracy. However the general difference between a democracy and a republic is still a delegation of power to leaders. Conveniently enough the article I took those quotes from talks about this distinction:

Many Americans today seem to be unable to define the difference between the two, but there is a difference, a big difference. That difference rests in the source of authority. [O]ur citizens should early understand that the genuine source of A pure democracy operates by direct majority vote of the people. When an issue is to be decided, the entire population votes on it; the majority wins and rules. A republic differs in that the general population elects representatives who then pass laws to govern the nation. A democracy is the rule by majority feeling
(what the Founders described as a “mobocracy” 12); a republic is rule by law.

Republic v. Democracy

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Just came across a nice little list of quotes, this is why the U.S. is a republic and not a pure democracy:

From my perspective it's a corporate Oligarchy marching into fascism.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Exactly, you are conflating democracy with democratic election. EC is also democratic election of president/vp, but the votes are bundled and are not 1:1.

a reply to: olaru12

What I should have said is "designed to be", applying a single label to any government doesn't really capture the full essence of that government though, which is actually one of the points I'm trying to make here. You cannot simply say the Hitler regime was totally right wing or totally left wing and that's that, it doesn't capture the true reality of the situation, because they had aspects of both and they played into each other to create a dictatorship.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

100% by the people and for the people

mob rule is not a good idea

originally posted by: olaru12
Do you have any idea how yuggggeeee an industry firearms and shooting sports is? Guns are going no where.

"takin our guns" is just a right wing fear based rallying point. You simply don't mess with a 51 billion a year industry.


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Perhaps you are too young to remember the Brady Bill and the Assault Guns Weapon Ban?
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a reply to: homers1226

Don't worry deep state rules not matter how the mob or ec vote.

a reply to: daskakik

That sounds exactly like what the Democrats have been doing.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Them too.

Even politicians that are not "politicians" know that that is how you win votes.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: homers1226

Don't worry deep state rules not matter how the mob or ec vote.

Well of course but which road would you prefer to global tyranny?

a reply to: daskakik

The way I see it, the endgame is the same. The only reason I even comment on these political charades is because it's fun to point out the endless hypocrisy and how emotional people get chasing carrots.

The entire political system is set in rock solid granite. We will never bring it down and they WILL have their way with us. At this point, there is nothing we can do about it.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Global tyranny?

Sometimes it sounds like the fearmongering is used hypocritically as well.

There us only one road. You can walk on either side but the destination is the same.

a reply to: daskakik

Yes the destination is the same. The Trump road is more fun. Liberal meltdowns are priceless. The best part is when they actually think that I believe Trump is not NWO. I usually do an evil laugh under my breath.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Global tyranny?

It's not tyrannical if you're in the club! I'm sure we'll be fine.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

People so quickly forget.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
Yes the destination is the same. The Trump road is more fun. Liberal meltdowns are priceless. The best part is when they actually think that I believe Trump is not NWO. I usually do an evil laugh under my breath.

To each his own I guess.

It's not tyrannical if you're in the club!

It doesn't necessarily have to be tyrannical.

I'm sure some people will call it that even if it isn't.

a reply to: daskakik

So you're in the club?