OP/ED: Hugo Chavez Dismantles Democracy in Venezuela

Mauddib,

I can understand where you're coming from with this thinking, but there's something that you're not seeing. You're missing the point that right and wrong are nothing but different perspectives on the same situation. What one sees as being right, another may see as being wrong. This, at it's core, is what drives actions. People almost always do something that they know might be wrong because they don't believe that it really is. Same situation here.

Now, this is not an attempt to justify what he's done. I agree with you that he's a kook that needs removed from power. If Saddam needed removed, this lunatic does too. I'm merely trying to show another, maybe missed perspective on the constant fight between good and evil.

For Democracy,

TheBorg

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[edit on 15-1-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by Souljah

Fantastic posts my Friend!

Much Respect!
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Wow...now that must have destroyed every piece of evidence, video and excerpt which proves Chavez to be a dictator not working for the Venezuelan people...

And now, before anyone can breathe a sigh of relief that castro is ready "to assume room temperature", more chilling news regarding chavez and his plans. One down and then chavez - plus a few more - pops up to replace him.

Here's an article from CNN (Communist News Network) (therefore, no bias):

Chavez turns a hard left ...

The decisions announced by Chavez are very similar to those taken in the early years of the Cuban Revolution.

Ah, yes. In spite of all the chavez defenders, this does not sound like democracy in action - now does it?

Sounds, instead, like the people in the ME will get to take a breather for the next few years, as the U.S. will be busy taking care of issues "closer to home".

[edit on 1/16/2007 by centurion1211]

Wow, thanks for the link and excerpt centurion, I guess that does it, and btw this excerpt from that same article sums it up better.

Given the announcements made last week, when he was inaugurated for a new term and named a new Cabinet, we can say that Venezuela is heading towards the old communism of the last century, and more in the Cuban or North Korean style than the Chinese.

www.cnn.com...

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Thank you for providing a link and excerpt which tells the truth about the situation in Venezuela.

I can see now electricity and water being rationed in Venezula like they have been in Cuba since castro took control of the island.... Since the govenrment holds control of every sector, the government controls the prices and can lower the pay of workers and decide how much "electricity, water, and food" the population of Venezuela will get....

Welcome to Communism Venezuela....

and as Chavez himself has said..."even if 90% of the votes is gathered for a referendum to get me out of office, i will not resign. Have that very clear in your minds"....

Venezuelans won't be able to get him out of office anymore to get control of their nation... It is a shame....

[edit on 16-1-2007 by Muaddib]

At this moment I wish that everyone in ATSNN and ATS understood spanish.. I just made a search for the statements that Chavez did in his new inauguration, and pretty much he is following step by step what castro did to Cuba, he has even taken up the revolutionary Cuban motto, which in Cuba is "patria o muerte venceremos" (nation or death, we will win) but he changed it to be

"Patria, socialismo o muerte"

which means "Nation, Socialism or death"...

The statement can be found at.
LINK

and what amazes me the most is that i am pretty much sure some people, including members in these forums, will claim this is good....

BTW, one more thing, he does plan to be in control of venezuela after 2014...

"Ya están los periódicos especulando que si no vino (el presidente de Brasil, Luis Ignacio) Lula, que si (el presidente de Colombia, Álvaro) Uribe no va, pero están mis amigos embajadores y embajadoras. Dentro de seis años pensaremos si los invitamos en 2014", ha añadido Chávez tras referirse a su "propuesta" de reelección indefinida.

LINK

The above more or less translates to: "Now the newspapers have speculated that the president of Brasil didn't come, the president of Colombia hasn't come to the inauguration, but my friends embassadors, in 6 years we will have to think, if we will invite them in 2014, added Chavez when he referred to his proposition of indefinite reelection"....

As some others and I have said, and after excerpting it from him several times, we can see that he does plan to stay indefinetely in power in Venezuela...

[edit on 16-1-2007 by Muaddib]

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[edit on 16-1-2007 by UM_Gazz]

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[edit on 16-1-2007 by Muaddib]

So, no one of the Chavez supporters have anything to say now?...

Oh wait...it is all made up by the U.S. right?.... or, the U.S. made him do it...he is an innocent and good man...

[edit on 16-1-2007 by Muaddib]

Using a poker analogy, if you turn over a royal flush after 5 cards are dealt, the game is over. Doesn't matter what hand anyone else has. I think that is in effect what you have done to chavez's supporters and apologists on this thread.

They can't continue to support chavez without revealing themselves to be dupes and fools.

As I have said many times before, some people here are just too narrowminded. The question, if they are doing that on purpose or if it is a part of their hidden agenda or if it is complete ignorance, depends from person to person. Here I just see selective "reporting" how to demonize one part of the bigger story and selectivly ignore other, more importants parts of it.

Now we all know that Socialism has been a big problem for so-called "Civilized West" and that they have done alot of "interventions" in order to protect "democracy" and prevent "socialism" from spreading across South America and elsewhere in the world.

Socialism = Bad

Capitalism = Good

Actually these members, who selectivly try to put on a great light upon USA and demonize everybody else is just playing straight into the hands of the Global Elite, which actually controls the situation. Well maybe these members are a part of their propaganda service, designed to inflirtrate online groups, such as this.

My Point is this:

Is Chavez a FREEMASON?

YES CHAVEZ IS A 33o DEGREE FREEMASON AS HIS FRIEND AND BROTHER CASTRO 33o OF THE A.A.S.R. , CHAVEZ BECAME INITIALY A FREEMASON IN CUBA BEFORE BEING NOMINATED IN HIS COUNTRY AS PRESIDENT AND LIKE CASTRO USES FREEMASONRY TO KEEP IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE ILLUMINATI OF THE VATICAN LIKE GM PASQUALE CEROFOLLINI WHO WENT TO CUBA FOR AN OFFICIAL MASONIC MEETING WITH THE CUBAN GRAND MASTER AND FIDEL CASTRO LAST MARCH. MW.BRO PASQUALE HIS FROM THE IRREGULAR ILLUMINATI MASONIC NETWORK OF BROTHER RUI GABIRRO KNOWN AS THE DUKE OF CABINDA IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH BRO.CHAVEZ AND HAVE ESTABLISHED A NEW GRAND LODGE IN VENEZUELA FOUNDED BY THESE ILLUMINATI OIL BARONS AND DRUG DEALERS OF THE REGULAR GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND NETWORK KNOWN AS MASONIC HIGH COUNCIL MANIPULATED BY THE JESUITS.

LEO LYON ZAGAMI
EX 33o

Well that certainly is a short and very eye opening information.

Looks like all of these so-called world "Enemies" have a very important thing in common - they are ALL Freemason! Which means, they are all connected. Which means, everything we see and read and "know" about how Venezuela is an enemy of the West, a part of Axis of Evil and other crap like that, is actually man made. Just for You. Just for the public. To divide us. To make two camps - one for Venezuela, and the other Against. Actually they do not care what we think and know, since they know a whole lot more, and they make a gazzillion of dollars by the way.

So - Chavez is also a part of the New World Order and he is dancing to their tune; the tune of the hidden shadow goverment, from which he gets instructions on the regular Freemason meetings.

Is Chavez a FREEMASON?

• First, obviously oil and oil prices come to our mind. Chavez is one of the key factors in the raise of oil prices. He lead the Opep in the oil rises prices and encourages the strategy of lowering the production to make prices even higher.
  
  
• Banks come to our mind second, since their freedom to operate is almost unrestricted. Its known that the Venezuelan debt has been growing, the riches coming from oil high all prices are dilluted in corruption and giving money to other countries, it has not been used in the least to clear the country's debt.
  
  
• Transnationals: the growth of imports have snowballed and the national industry and even agriculture almost totally destroyed. The government only supports small cooperatives, the big piece of the cake is for foreigners only.
  
  
• The South American agenda of keeping governments corrupt and 'sold' to foreign powers, but now with a 'revolutionary' mask. The socialist laws are shady by themselves, and the interpretation of them even more shady.
  
  
• Chavez is also part of the Zionist agenda through the supporting of extremist Islam groups.

Very good points I must admit.

Make you think for a while.

Actually I am not that closed minded as other members want to be, and I allow a possibility for any theory that comes to my view. And this one certainly looks very possible and if we stop to think with our eyes closed, then we can realize that we are all manipulated one way or another. The real art is, to distinguish between the real bull-crap and the mild version of bull-crap. The truth is not for us to be seen anyway. Everything is a smoke screen these days. Including threads like this.

The real question now is - what was the hidden agenda of the Author of this thread, if we bear in mind the points I have made with my post?

To really demonize Chavez or to just keep on dividing the public into two camps?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Using a poker analogy, if you turn over a royal flush after 5 cards are dealt, the game is over. Doesn't matter what hand anyone else has. I think that is in effect what you have done to chavez's supporters and apologists on this thread.

They can't continue to support chavez without revealing themselves to be dupes and fools.

Ahh yes this Administration you and Muaddib so vehemently support is such a Royal Flush.

Its such a good hand, former trading partner Hugo Chavez is now against us and is purchasing his goods from Russia, Bolivia has also joined in and relegalized the growth of coca plants again to feed their good friends up North , Chile and Nicaragua are also in a pact with the other 2 in the Bolivarian Trade agreement, soon they too will be buying from China and Russia as well and all leaning towards Cuba. Such a great poker player you guys are. Throw out all the good cards to keep one lousy one.

Pretty soon our only customer will be buying fighter jets from us that we give them the money to buy them with.

Maybe when you alienate Columbia too because you feel his clothes don't match and it presents a danger to the American people we will have 3.00gas and 10.00 cups of coffee .

You are right..I have been made to feel like a dupe by a shipload of fools.

Originally posted by Souljah
My Point is this:

Is Chavez a FREEMASON?

YES CHAVEZ IS A 33o DEGREE FREEMASON AS HIS FRIEND AND BROTHER CASTRO 33o OF THE A.A.S.R. , CHAVEZ BECAME INITIALY A FREEMASON IN CUBA BEFORE BEING NOMINATED IN HIS COUNTRY AS PRESIDENT AND LIKE CASTRO USES FREEMASONRY TO KEEP IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE ILLUMINATI OF THE VATICAN LIKE GM PASQUALE CEROFOLLINI WHO WENT TO CUBA FOR AN OFFICIAL MASONIC MEETING WITH THE CUBAN GRAND MASTER AND FIDEL CASTRO LAST MARCH.

Well that certainly is a short and very eye opening information.

Looks like all of these so-called world "Enemies" have a very important thing in common - they are ALL Freemason! Which means, they are all connected.

XXXXXXXXX

Which means, everything we see and read and "know" about how Venezuela is an enemy of the West, a part of Axis of Evil and other crap like that, is actually man made. Just for You. Just for the public. To divide us. To make two camps - one for Venezuela, and the other Against. Actually they do not care what we think and know, since they know a whole lot more, and they make a gazzillion of dollars by the way.

So - Chavez is also a part of the New World Order and he is dancing to their tune; the tune of the hidden shadow goverment, from which he gets instructions on the regular Freemason meetings.

The line of X's shows where your chain of thinking is broken. It is a non-sequitor. Freemasonry bars discussion of politics and religion within the Lodge. Masons are not precluded from political action; indeed it is their duty to make the world a better place to live in. That does not mean that all paths lead to success, however.

Originally posted by Souljah
As I have said many times before, some people here are just too narrowminded. The question, if they are doing that on purpose or if it is a part of their hidden agenda or if it is complete ignorance, depends from person to person. Here I just see selective "reporting" how to demonize one part of the bigger story and selectivly ignore other, more importants parts of it.
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No souljah, if anyone is "narrowminded" it is yourself...

I don't know "where you got those claims", but since castro is and has always been an atheist, and he pretty much banned all religions from Cuba for a very long time... those claims you posted are not true at all....

People in Cuba who were/are religious had to hide their beliefs, because religion was banned for a long time, and it was only allowed, slowly and with some restriction into the island not that long ago.

Fidel Castro's regime in Cuba actually banned Christmas from 1969 to 1997,

www.nysun.com...

After years of shaping Cuba as an atheist state, Fidel Castro has started to make some room for religion on the island.

www.jewishcuba.org...

Some people might claim religion was not banned in Cuba...but those who lived and still live in Cuba know the truth....and that truth is totally different from claims like the ones you posted...

I know this because back in the 70s I was raised as a Catholic in Cuba and had to hide, with a few other people in order to go to church.... Religious people in Cuba were called "gusanos", or worms... about two weeks before my parents and I lef the island, it was somehow found out by the "neighborhood Communist commitee" that I was attending church.

When religious people were found out by the rest of the "good socialists" they were threatened and harrassed because that is what the Communist system back then indoctrinated people to believe...

Back then i was 8 years old, my friends also found out and they fought against me, only one friend of mine who that day i found out to be the only true friend I had backed me up and fought with me, of course we lost until parents came out and stopped the fight. But that is what people in Cuba were indoctrinated to be like towards religion...

Perhaps you don't know this, but in order to be a Mason, you have to believe in God.... castro is an atheist and he indoctrinated the Cuban people to be atheists... hence he is not a Freemason.....

Do you believe in God? No atheist can become a member of a Freemasonry Lodge.

www.mimasons.org...

As for Chavez, it is known that most people in Venezuela, even the poor people, are "Catholics"...in order for Chavez to win the vote of the poor people, who are 45-47% of Venezuelans, he has to make them believe that he is also religious....

The fact that Chavez is using religion to win the poor can be found in the statements he has made... He claims that Jesus was the greatest "revolutionary" in the world... Sorry to jank your chains but that is simply not true... Jesus was a pacifist..not a "revolutionary"....

Chavez uses religion, like he uses money to buy the confidence of a majority of the poor, nothing more, nothing less....

And actually, I just found out that "the latest revelation Chavez has had is that now he calls Jesus a Communist"...and not only a socialist like he used to call him....

"Fatherland. Socialism - or death! I swear it." After a pause, he added: "I swear by Christ - the greatest socialist in history."

Since being re-elected in a landslide last month the former paratrooper has tightened his grip on power and promised to nationalise key sectors of the economy to shunt the world's fifth biggest oil exporter away from capitalist inequality and privilege.

The past eight years of his rule, which started with Blairite rhetoric about a third way, laid the groundwork for what will henceforth be accelerating radicalisation on the principles of Trotsky's permanent revolution, said Mr Chavez. "We have hardly begun. It will be permanent."

Turning to look into the camera he saluted and said "Hello, Fidel", probably correctly assuming that his mentor, the ailing Cuban leader, was watching.

Citing the Bible to show Jesus was a communist, the president attacked Venezuela's Roman Catholic church and the head of the Organisation of American States for criticising his decision not to renew the licence of an opposition-aligned TV station.

www.guardian.co.uk...

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Muaddib]

BTW... aparently Chavez taught a few things to castro too...

Over the years in Cuba people slowly became more and more religious, even when the Communist state was indoctrinated to be atheist.

The following statement from Chavez is "very enlightening"...

WHEN VENEZUELAN PRESIDENT HUGO CH VEZ met with the Pope earlier this week, he assured Benedict XVI that he is a Christian. And he told the press that has a special friend who is one too. Sort of.

"Our Bolivarian revolution is very Christian and I have a friend who isn't Christian, but lately has said he is a Christian in the social aspect: his name is Fidel Castro," Chávez announced. "I talk to [Castro] a lot about Christ each time we see each other, and he told me recently, 'Chávez, I'm Christian in the social sense.'"

www.weeklystandard.com...


Do you actually realize why Chavez is doing this, and castro is following the lead?.....

Because Chavez does want Communism to spread around the world, a majority of the people in the world are religious, and among them the poor people, hence in order for Chavez, castro and any "revolutionary" to get the people they have to make the world believe they are religious...

Apparently some of the Communists have learnt a new tactic to help Communism reemerge in the world... but at the end Chavez and the "rest of the revolutionaries" will show their true colors... like they always do...

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Muaddib]

Pardone me, for raining on your parade Amigo,

BUT what does banning a religion has to do with Castro or Chavez being FREEMASONS? I mean, you kind avoided the point of my post and smartly redirected into your own personal anti-Castro, anti-Chavez propaganja. Sorry, but I do not see any relevance of your response to my post.

So do you approve or deny that both are Freemasons, both are working for the Global Elite, for the New World Order - which means they are in the same picture as any other so called politician in this world, who wants to win elections and later, manipulate his own country by his own desired and agendas? In my eyes Chavez is like Bush and Castro is like Blair - they just have a different mask on their faces, but in fact they all have the same face, if you know what I mean.

Sorry Mate, but I belive mister Leo Zagami before you and/or any mass corporate media drivel you use for spreading of your agenda. And the problem is that you did not neither confirm nor deny that being Chavez (or Fidel) a Freemason does directly shine a whole different light on this "story" as you try to.

Chavez dismantles democracy in Venezuela.

Bush dismantles democracy in USA.

Talabani dismantles democracy in Iraq

Ahmadinejad dismantles democracy in Iran.

BUT what happens, if they all work for the same BOSS?

OMG!?!?!?

Now that idea did not cross your mind.

Or it did - and you are aware of it, and you actually protect it by posting such post, in which you try to demonize just one side, while protecting the other side - all of them heads of the same Dragon. Or perhaps you are just too blinded by your hatred towards "Commies", that you just do not want to see that. And that is the difference between You and Me - for I allow any kind of theory to be true, you just keep on posting any pro-american, anti-socialistic, anti-islamic crapola. Looks very much like you are working also for the New World Order to enforce the old Bablyon rule:

DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

[edit on 17/1/07 by Souljah]

Wow...you are really something...

souljah, i just proved castro has "always been an atheist"...in order to be a "freemason" you have to believe in God, hence you can't be an atheist, hence castro is not and has never been a "freemason"...

I also proved that Chavez is only using religion to try to spread "Communism" around latin America and the world".....

Sorry to tell you this but the "Catholic church" will never allow Jesus to be called a Communist to "spread an agenda around the world, Communism, that has always been Atheist."

Your farce has been debunked....

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Muaddib]

Here is another statement from Chavez about Jesus being a "Communist"...

"The true Christ, the one of communal property, was more of a communist than a socialist. He was an authentic communist, an anti-imperialist, an enemy of the oligarchy, of the elites and of the established power," said Chavez. "There still are parts of the Catholic church that manipulate Christ in an effort to make that religion what Marx called the opium of the people."

marcmasferrer.typepad.com...

That is a translation in English and it is an statement he made in January 9 of 2007, this year...which keeps showing that Chavez is a Communist...

The statement from Chavez in Spanish can be found in the following link.

“Cristo es uno de los más grandes revolucionarios que haya nacido en la tierra. El verdadero Cristo no es el que algunos sectores de la Iglesia católica manipulan. Cristo era un verdadero revolucionario socialista”, sostuvo Chávez, quien ya lanzado fue a más: “el Cristo verdadero era comunista más que socialista; era un comunista auténtico, un antiimperialista, enemigo de la oligarquía, enemigo de las elites y del poder”.

www.cronica.com.mx...

Obviously Chavez has never really read the bible, because Christ did say that "he didn't come to oust any regime, or destroy any political party, he just came to show people how to be towards others".... at least i remember that much from my days of being raised as a Catholic, and you don't need to be a "Communist" to be a good person.

Actually "Communism" and "being a good person" have been shown throughout history to be quite the oposite.

Chavez is only using religion and Jesus to spread "his Communist agenda around the world"....


[edit on 17-1-2007 by Muaddib]

BTW, the following shows how Chavez views "freedom of expression" from others, how he intends to do business and the treatment he has in mind for other leaders who disagree with him...

Chavez called on Monday for the resignation of Insulza as the head of the OAS, after Insulza criticised a move to shut down a Venezuelan television channel. Chavez, who often takes strong verbal swipes at critics, referred to Insulza in highly insulting terms

Insulza is a former government minister from Chile, and the Chilean government on Tuesday chided Chavez for the comments. Relations between states and with international bodies should be conducted with "respectful and constructive language," Foreign Minister Alejandro Foxley told reporters in Santiago.

www.caribbeannetnews.com...

Ths link in Spanish of what Chavez said can be found at.
www.cronica.com.mx...

Chavez insulted Insulza, and said he will be calling him names in every meeting they will have because Insulza said that the decision of Chavez to shut down a Venezuelan tv Channel which is critical of Chavez is a move that is proper only of a dictatorship. Insulza asked the Venezuelan authorities to reconsider the shut down of the tv station.

Again, this shows the "true colors" of this self proclaimed "Communist/revolutionary".

From the above link Chavez says in Spanish to insulsa...

“Al insulso doctor Insulza debería darle vergüenza, debería renunciar a la secretaria de la OEA. Venezuela es libre; Venezuela se liberó para siempre; váyase con su ‘insulsería’ a otro lado”, añadió el presidente.
Para rematar, Chávez dijo que la decisión de no renovar la concesión a RCTV es irreversible: “Juro que nada, ni nadie, impedirá que se cumpla esa decisión de no renovarle la concesión a este canal de televisión”.

www.cronica.com.mx...

After a bit more insults to Insulza and after Chavez says Insulza should resign because "Venezuela is free"...Chavez says in the above statemtent that the decision to shut down that tv station will never be revoked, and Chavez swore that noone and nothing will stop that decision to shut down that tv station...

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
Wow...you are really something...

Yes I know!

souljah, i just proved castro has "always been an atheist"...in order to be a "freemason" you have to believe in God, hence you can't be an atheist, hence castro is not and has never been a "freemason"...

So you an atheist can not become a Freemason?

You think there are NOT Freemasons in Cuba?

You think Castro is NOT a Freemason?

Not that only he is a Freemason, he was also trained by the Jesuits;

The Black Pope

In synchronizing his worldwide overt and covert factions to work the Order’s evil ends of the Vatican’s Counter-Reformation in restoring the Papal Caesar as the absolute Universal Monarch of the World, the Black Pope used his Masonically-controlled, fanatically anti-Jewish Race, Islamic Intelligence operatives under the domestic control of the CIA (Osama bin Laden having been directed, financed and trained by the CIA for at least ten years — just like Jesuit-trained and CIA-financed Fidel Castro before he, like bin Laden, became a false enemy of the CFR-controlled American government)...

Yep - Jesuit trained.

Remember that documentary about Castro by Oliver Stone?

Comandante I think?

Well if you want to know, Oliver Stone is also Jesuit trained.

How about Chavez beeing a Freemason at The Grand Lodge of Freemasons in Texas?

Chavez Speech to UN

I sat in lodge with Hugo Chavez at The Grand Lodge of Freemasons in Texas. It was 1995 or 1996, I think. It was right after he was elected president. The Brother that introduced him said " you're elected for life down there in Venezuela aren't you" and the other 4000 of us just kind of laughed. I think that some of us thought it was a joke. Afterwards I shook his hand and said "Bienvienidos" which I thought was Welcome. He looked at me like I was crazy, or he was scared or both. It was either a "who do you think you are ?" or it was a "is he trying to kill me?" I am just concluding this because of how he looked at me. I never realized that he was a communist dictator, or at least one in training. However I had my suspicions when his speech that he gave at Grand Lodge contained numerous references to "My people". I stand 6'3" and I had to look up at Chavez. He wasn't as fat then and he was very impressive in stature. I remember thinking "That's the biggest 'mexican' I've ever seen. His hands were enormous when we shook hands. Not too long ago Chavez announced that he planned on serving another 20 years. I just thought someone might find this interesting. I figured the conspiracy nuts would have a ball with Chavez being a Freemason.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Actually the story behind the curtain, which you always try to desperately hold in place, is a little bit different they you are trying to show to the members of this board. And if I would not know better, I would say you were an agent for the New World Order - becuse you just started defending this issue so strongly, that it definetly must be something behind it.

What does mister Leo Zagami say?

THE ILLUMINATI PUPPET SHOW

"They all work together, including Hugo Chavez who really is helping Bush's agenda by his theatrical performances," said Zagami. Chavez is controlled by the Vatican and working with the New World Order as are all other leaders of the world's major government's and religions.

"This is how they operate with the top layers working together for one purpose in what they think is the perfect cover-up. Wahabi or Wahibi [the Saudis] were created by the Zionists and their English friends who think they are the lost tribe of Israel. The same happened with Arafat and the so-called Muslim Brotherhood created by the English intelligence."

Is it any more clear-er for you?

It is all a part of a bigger plan - and everybody is in it toagather as you can see. They use Freemasons, Zionists, Jesuits, Vatican, Socialists, Liberals, Communists, Feminist and Gay activists, Neo Cons, all intelligence agencies, media, foundations to exercise control. And they probably mister use Muaddib also. But let us not look behind the curtain, which is being desperatly hold not to fall down and reveal the puppet masters in the back.

Let's just belive that the EVIL Commies are out there to get you!

Yes! Hate Chavez! Hate Castro! Hate Venezuela! But of course forget or/and ignore how ALL of them are working for the same Global Elite, which has been running this show for centuries. And I thought Muaddib would be happy, when I would expose Freemason Chavez secret plans with the New World Order. I guess the problem is, that Bush&Co. are also working for them....

Trixie ey?

What the hell?.... For two years now I have been showing that Chavez has been following step by step what castro did to Cuba...from first claiming he was a Socialist working for the people, to then when he had more control finally admitting he is a Communist...

You were one of the people claiming he was not, now the truth is shown and of course you have to make another maniatical claim...

Other members and I show all the facts and you want to come up with some "obscure links which are not telling the truth at all but are lies and exagerations" and now you want to claim I am one of "these NWO agents"?....

Are there freemasons in Cuba? Yes...but they all believe in God.... in order to be a Freemason you have to believe in God.... another fact that escapes you...

If I am responding here is because I was born in Cuba, lived under the Communist regime, still have family who live there and frankly know better than you the facts about the island, castro and Communism in general....

Your lies, exagerations and claims are far from the truth...

I am not a "NWO agent"... I am my own agent trying to show the truth...

But of course since you have been siding with Communists/revolutionaries in these forums since you joined, and you describe yourself as a revolutionary fighting against Imperialism like your buddies Chavez and castro, now you have to try to derail the thread and make more false claims which have nothing to do with the facts and the truth...

Let's state the facts.... Have you not proclaimed yourself to be a revolutionary fighting against Imperialism, and haven't you been backing over and over people like Chavez, and violent revolution against "Imperialism" like Chavez, castro and their ilk have done?...

It is very clear who is an agent in here....

Oh and BTW, i am not even a "Freemason" nor a member of any lodge, or cult...so there goes another one of your "lies"...

[edit on 18-1-2007 by Muaddib]

I just wrote a huge amount here and lost the gosh darned thing.

Look, you greasers, Muaddib is no more a NWO pusher than i am Marilyn Monroe.
Castro is not and has never been a Freemason
ROFLMAO!
An atheist? A freemason? Why oh why do you people beleive what you read or see on the Internet pertaining to this man??? The truth is Castro, a psychopath, with delusions of grandeur and power, came down from the mountains of Cuba with a few people to overthrow Batista. Just as Hitler did, he promised a new democracy and delivered an inferno full of misery and took everything people had. Great guy.

As far as Jesus Christ being a Communist? Oh please. How absurd can you get.

I disagree with Muaddib sometimes about Bush, but i can assure you he left Cuba under the same circumstances i did and he is no NWO agent.
How did this turn into such accusations?

Finally, i look forward to Castros demise. The Cuban community most certainly does. Natural death, not death inflicted by other nations. A natural painful death. He has to pay for all the pain he caused ME. Yes, me. I'm sure that i speak for millions of Cubans when i say that he caused great pain and sorrow to many. Scars which will never heal.

I dont know where you guys get your information from about Castro. Highly intelectual, highly wrong.
Listen to Muaddib and I- We lived through the hell that was Castro.
Forget other stuff that is only dissinformation.
Please.