Planet 10?

a reply to: Sapphire

If proven to be true i agree it would indeed be fascinating, chances are however Earth sized or not, at that distance and in that location, this alleged planet 10 will be nothing more than a frozen ball of ice and rock.

I wonder if they can tell if the body in question has rotation or if it could shed some light as to the early formation of our own world given the similarity in size to our Earth?

a reply to: andy06shake

I know the chances are slim, but I'm hoping it's more than that.

If Planet 10 proved to be something more than our human minds can grasp, i'd be thrilled!

It very may well show information we're not familiar with shedding light on what we had no prior information to. Any new information would be welcomed!

a reply to: Sapphire

Well we really are only beginning to understand what constitutes life on our own world, who knows whats out there on other worlds or what forms or how life may have evolved there?

The universe to date is something more than our human minds can grasp hence the reason all the stars, planets and galaxies, that can be seen today, make up only 4% of the universe. The other 96% being comprised of stuff astronomers cannot see, detect or even comprehend(dark matter/energy).

I imagine any information of a controversial nature regarding the area and alleged planet in question will be held from us if indeed it turned out to harbour life, intelligent or otherwise.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yes and yes to the first two paragraphs!

And most likely yes to the last one. Those governing us have held back pertinent information from us for some time, we'd be fools to believe otherwise. So yes i agree unless.. something miraculous spawned from all of this. We can only dream and hope at this point.

a reply to: Sapphire

3 cheers to the Greater Fools.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

lol Cheers!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

... the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope (LSST), which is currently under construction in Chile...

yay... still another space observation array of instruments the over-taxed populations can fund & pay to operate and provide Pensions to for eternity for the LSST staff



500 Million dollar -to- 1 Billion dollar space telescopes are close-end operations, with a finite cost which is dependent on approved future funding to continue....
the open ended, land based arrays are Debt based money-pits


what great need is there to find an earth sized clump of ice (there are likely No rocky planets out there in Oort or Kuiper Stan

a reply to: St Udio

Space exploration is important to our continued future and expansion of our race.

Fact is if we do not know whats out there then we will have no reason nor desire to ever go there or ever find out.

We need to set aside our petty religious and socioeconomic indifference and find good reason to colonise low Earth orbit, cost effectively, thus pave the way for eventual colonisation and exploration of the Moon Mars and possibly beyond.

That will never happen unless we find reason to do so which is why projects such as the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope are so important to our future generations

I get it buddy, i don't come from monies or means, but if we don't spend cash and resources on projects like those then eventually we will ether destroy ourselves or simply stagnate and and die down to lack of resources, clean water sources and/or war.

Fact is humanity has had "too many eggs in the one basket" for quite some time now, that needs to change whist we still have the will and resources available to do so.

a reply to: andy06shake



And once again, 3 cheers to the Greater Fools!

I've seen a lot of chatter on social and main stream media today about this, almost like a coordinated release, even though some of it is not new info, it's all being rolled into one now that our spacecraft has gone beyond Pluto.

Weird - I pray Planet 10 doesn't have any oil or gas, otherwise it'll be designated a rogue planet and invaded because freedom and democracy (it won't be because freedom and democracy).

S&F because doom porn trumps politics (pun intended).

Hmmm...Planet 10, huh?

Does anyone else think of the Red Lectroid "Johns" from Buckaroo Banzai?

John Whorfin: Where are we going?!
Red Lectroids: Planet Ten!
John Whorfin: When?!
Red Lectroids: Real soon!

I find it hard to believe they can watch a star wobble, light years away, and determine a planet is there and they cannot detect an entire large planet in our own Solar System?


No Planet

a reply to: Xeven

That's Planet 9 you're getting at. Plus it's far from bringing up a definite "No Planet" argument.

The unknown biases in previous surveys do weaken the case for a Planet Nine at the size and distance proposed, says Renu Malhotra, an astronomer at the University of Arizona in Tucson. However, she adds, the OSSOS team has not proved that these biases actually enhance the appearance of clustering among distant Kuiper belt objects, so its paper does little to change the debate.

www.scientificamerican.com...

Stars emit light (at least IR), planets only reflect what gets through. Now imagine a gigantic field of ass-teroids around it and have some fun making out that black eagle on a black canvas...

originally posted by: Xeven
I find it hard to believe they can watch a star wobble, light years away, and determine a planet is there and they cannot detect an entire large planet in our own Solar System?


No Planet

It may or may not be the case that there is no Planet Nine or Planet 10, but the exoplanets that are detected by finding a wobble in far away stars have one thing in common -- they are all very close to their star, thus the gravitational tug the planet exerts on the star is more noticeable.

Every planet discovered so far by the wobble method -- or Radial Velocity method -- is closer to its star than Earth is to the Sun.

Of the 139 other candidates (i.e., not enough evidence yet to say they are "confirmed") there are about a dozen that are as far away from there star as Jupiter is from the Sun, and one that orbits about as far as Saturn is from the Sun. Plus, those farther out exoplanet candidates are though to be larger than Jupiter -- again making the wobble easier to detect.

However, that is still only about 11 AU (astronomical units) from the star. Planet nine is thought to be 200 to 700 AU from the Sun (large range due to the hypothetical orbit being highly elliptical orbit), and much much smaller than Jupiter (less than 10X Earth's mass, as opposed to 300X Earth's mass of Jupiter.

This newly hypothesized Planet 10 may be smaller than Earth and orbit beyond Pluto -- maybe 50 to 100 AU.

So no -- we aren't talking apples to apples here. Just because an exoplanet light years away that orbits extremely close to its star and/or very massive can be detected via the "Wobble" method, that does not mean that a small planet orbiting WAYYYY out beyond Pluto should be easily detectable.

i dont believe it !
we have found almost millions of exoplanets and we cant find something in your own solar sistem?
wew NASA is truly going down!

brief update: well the way i have written this post makes it looks like that i believe that NASA is fake, no i dont believe that though i am certain that they are hiding something big

a reply to: St Udio

finally someone that thinks like me!

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
Planet 10? That's where Phage resides! Of course it exists.

Are you saying Phage is a Grebulon?!

Hopefully, they havent found planet 10 aka Rupert yet .....

originally posted by: humanoidlord
i dont believe it !
we have found almost millions of exoplanets and we cant find something in your own solar sistem?

Phage explained it, but nobody's listening.

It's much easier to detect a super-Jupiter tugging on its star (or eclipsing it as it passes over) than to detect a much smaller planet orbiting much further away from its star (the Sun), being only detectable by extremely faint light or the gravitational influence it had had on the Kuiper belt objects.

Mind you, nothing is certain in this field, and, ironically enough, the news about "Planet 10" (which, extra-ironically enough, can be called Planet X using the Roman numerals) come on the heels of anouncement that Planet 9 might be just our imagination: www.scientificamerican.com...

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
Stars emit light (at least IR), planets only reflect what gets through. Now imagine a gigantic field of ass-teroids around it and have some fun making out that black eagle on a black canvas...

That is untrue.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but there have been a flurry of recent news coverage of scientists highlighting the inevitability of an asteroid or comet impact. Namely, Stephen Hawking who said we should hurry to the moon, Elon Musk discussing that we need to colonize mars to avoid an extinction level event, and Alan Fitzsimmons who issued a warning that the earth may be hit again by 1000s of asteroids. His warning is ahead of Asteroid Day, which is June 30th. So that may be driving the news coverage of the possibility of asteroid impacts, but then there is this news coverage of the research about the possibility of a Planet 10 that is perturbing kuiper belt objects and its a bit spooky coming up before the solar eclipse.

But what got me wondering about this was a sudden slew of CEO resignations in the news on June 20th and June 21st (summer solstice). I know its crazy talk- but if you search google news for "CEO resigns" there seems to be an uptick in the activity. If you check google trends there is an uptick there as well. Someone once said that if you want to know when to run for the hills, watch what the wealthy CEOs are doing