Striking While The Iron's Cold

I'm going to attempt to keep this really short and sweet - anything more than that is excessive and undeserving of our attention.

it's been over 6 months now that the "investigation into russian meddling" has gripped this entire nation after the 2016 elections. this huge pile of unsubstantiated subversion has even managed to convince some of our non-USA members that russia did in fact influence our election results, despite the fact that:

- nobody knows who colluded with who

- nobody knows when the collusion occurred

- nobody knows what has occurred

- nobody knows where it occurred

- nobody knows how it occurred

for anyone who believes there was some kind of russian operation going on, i respectfully urge you to consider the above, with respects to the article below from the Clinton News Network:

Intel chiefs tell investigators Trump suggested they refute collusion with Russians

this whole "article" literally reads like a tabloid. this is not news. this is an article attempting to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Just look at these excerpts:

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers described their interactions with the President about the Russia investigation as odd and uncomfortable, but said they did not believe the President gave them orders to interfere, according to multiple sources familiar with their accounts.

The sources gave CNN the first glimpse of what the intelligence chiefs said to Mueller's investigators when they did separate interviews last week. Both men told Mueller's team they were surprised the President would suggest that they publicly declare he was not involved in collusion, sources said. Mueller's team, which is in the early stages of its investigation, will ultimately decide whether the interactions are relevant to the inquiry.

One source said that Trump wanted them to say publicly what then-FBI Director James Comey had told the President privately: that he was not under investigation for collusion. However, sources said that neither Coats nor Rogers raised concerns that Trump was pushing them to do something they did not want to do. They did not act on the President's alleged suggestion.

One congressional source expressed frustration that Coats and Rogers didn't answer the questions in public, especially since what they ended up expressing in private was that they did not feel that the President pressured either of them to do anything improper.

i mean.. seriously, look at all of that! look at the force and determination with which CNN is trying to make *anything* stick to give these claims any weight, even when they're contradicting their own information and intentions within the same report!

the pattern is now evident, and it is uniform in this matter - create sensational headlines, and bury the truth of the matter deep into the article in hopes that nobody will pull out their magnifying glass.

to anyone who's still riding the train of russian collusion, what stop are you planning on getting off at? why are you still on this train?

what have you personally seen to give any credence to the notion that trump was working with russian intelligence to manipulate the outcome of our most recent US election?

a reply to: facedye

Nothing to see here. Move along.



Let the investigations reach a conclusion. Trump's defenders are just as bad as his detractors in that respect.

There is a new term out there. Mainly used by psychologists .
TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome
Lots of folks appear to be extremely and dangerously affected by this mental disorder

originally posted by: Gothmog
There is a new term out there. Mainly used by psychologists .
TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome
Lots of folks appear to be extremely and dangerously affected by this mental disorder

Yes... some people seem incapable of seeing Trump's many flaws. Deranged indeed.

a reply to: facedye

I think the bulk of people are over looking the fact collusion is not a crime.

a reply to: facedye

Even if there was no collusion-- and it is odd that Paul Manafort, a Russian lobbyist, seems to have influenced Trump's Ukraine policy-- there can absolutely be no doubt that Trump was the Kremlin's preferred candidate, and that their propaganda organs, including RT, globalresearch.ca, and zerohedge.com labored mightily to convince the electorate that Hillary Clinton was guilty of crimes she did not commit. (I'm not saying that she was an innocent, just that she didn't order people murdered or engage in the sex slave trade.)

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: facedye

I think the bulk of people are over looking the fact collusion is not a crime.

"Collusion" is a polite term for treason, the ultimate "high crime."

a reply to: DJW001

Why is it wrong that some Russians were happy that Trump won?

You do realize that people all over the world were toasting to Trump's victory, including in Iraq and in Egypt.

Deep State and their MSM mouthpieces continue to debase themselves. Sadly It works on some. Like WOO.

Coats and Rogers--as was Comey--were obviously uncomfortable being around a bold man who isn't compromised like themselves and could jerk a knot in their tail (tale) at any minute.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: facedye

I think the bulk of people are over looking the fact collusion is not a crime.

That doesn't mean that they can't take offence at the notion and the fact that so many Americans don't seem to care. Again, it it were Hillary and not Trump under examination, the Right would be losing their collective nut!

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Why is it wrong that some Russians were happy that Trump won?

I would love to see that question answered.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

You do realize that people all over the world were toasting to Trump's victory, including in Iraq and in Egypt.

Those two bastions of liberal democracy. Ask yourself why dictatorial regimes are welcoming a Trump presidency.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: facedye

I think the bulk of people are over looking the fact collusion is not a crime.

"Collusion" is a polite term for treason, the ultimate "high crime."

Uhm no.. not even close.

Also - High crimes and misdemeanors for impeachment purposes is a political issue and NOT a criminal one. Congress decides what high crimes and misdemeanors are and not the law.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: facedye

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Let the investigations reach a conclusion. Trump's defenders are just as bad as his detractors in that respect.

protip: i'm not a trump supporter, did not vote for him, and none of his policies nor his approach to the presidency resonate with me in any way, shape or form.

with that being said, and with all due respect, you're actively part of the problem by responding in such a manner.

there won't be a conclusion. there's no real investigation. it's all BS and you know it. there's no meat on these bones - in fact, there aren't even any bones.

you think a video of russia celebrating trump's victory is evidence of foul play or malevolent intent? is this a joke?

no really, why do you think the video you just posted matters with regards to whether or not the russian government played a decisive and illegal role in getting trump elected?

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: facedye

I think the bulk of people are over looking the fact collusion is not a crime.

That doesn't mean that they can't take offence at the notion and the fact that so many Americans don't seem to care. Again, it it were Hillary and not Trump under examination, the Right would be losing their collective nut!

Considering the FBI and Democrats have stated no collusion exists your analysis is a bit off.

Clinton is still under several investigations by the FBI and Congress.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: ColdWisdom

You do realize that people all over the world were toasting to Trump's victory, including in Iraq and in Egypt.

Those two bastions of liberal democracy. Ask yourself why dictatorial regimes are welcoming a Trump presidency.

maybe it's because they didn't feel like going to war with the USA instead.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Uhm no.. not even close.

Also - High crimes and misdemeanors for impeachment purposes is a political issue and NOT a criminal one. Congress decides what high crimes and misdemeanors are and not the law.

If you keep telling yourself that you are in for a rude awakening.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: DJW001

Why is it wrong that some Russians were happy that Trump won?

The Russian toast was a celebration of their victory, not Trump's. The Kremlin is rejoicing in the success of the Gerasimov Doctrine, which they have used to weaken their principle rival for power.

a reply to: DJW001

The Russian toast was a celebration of their victory, not Trump's. The Kremlin is rejoicing in the success of the Gerasimov Doctrine, which they have used to weaken their principle rival for power.

I get that this is what you choose to believe, but what do you base this on?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

'Cause Stone Cold CNN said so?