What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

a reply to: fleabit

Shouldn't thus be incredibly easy to prove all you would have to do is look at the radar returns for that day. Missiles dont move like planes. But I'm perplexed my brother actually saw the jet cross over the interstate on the way to the pentagon. He remembers it well because he sat in traffic for almost 5 hours on Washington blvd. But I guess he didn't know the difference between a plane and a missile.

Question I would have is the plane took out several lights how did a missile do this without exploding.

a reply to: waypastvne

I am going to trust that pilot over what you post, you slander him because you lost the debate with facts from a pilot that dares break with the state narrative. What he says is logical and he flew those planes, he knows more than you and me, end of story.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: waypastvne

I am going to trust that pilot over what you post, you slander him because you lost the debate with facts from a pilot that dares break with the state narrative. What he says is logical and he flew those planes, he knows more than you and me, end of story.

Of course you are.

But he doesn't have any facts. The numbers he spits out have no source other than his mouth. He didn't witness the manoeuvres so where does he get his numbers from. The FDR and radar returns are facts. Russ only has his opinion and nothing to back it up.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

All you have is an implied narrative and conjuncture. You cannot even give an account of the referenced material, the evidence provided in material, and form a rational rebuttal.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: waypastvne

I am going to trust that pilot over what you post, you slander him because you lost the debate with facts from a pilot that dares break with the state narrative. What he says is logical and he flew those planes, he knows more than you and me, end of story.

You are going to ignore the views are not widely supported, not embraced widely by the commercial and engineering jet community? That he is using false authority for 5 minutes of fame. While you ignore eyewitness accounts of a jet hitting the pentagon, eyewitness accounts of people recovering the human remains of flight 77, the wreckage of flight 77, the radar data, flight recorder data, the DNA evidence, the coroner's report, issuing of death certificates, release and burial of human remains.

And after your questions have been addressed with documented evidence, you put your head in the sand and choose to ignore questions leveled at you to not rock your faith in denial?

a reply to: waypastvne

Well then, I would just like to bring out your posting history on ATS to everybody observing this thread.

waypastvne posts

Yeah I am done responding to you, carry on dude

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: waypastvne

I am going to trust that pilot over what you post, you slander him because you lost the debate with facts from a pilot that dares break with the state narrative. What he says is logical and he flew those planes, he knows more than you and me, end of story.

So if I understand you your going with a pilot you don't know with facts you don't know where he got them from. And you wonder why you believe in a conspiracy???? You know nothing about the man heck we don't even know if he's a pilot. We don't know if he flew the aircraft all we gave is a video saying he did.

If you want to be taken seriously try actually doing some research. I stumbled in here so I did some research to see if thus maneuver was impossible like the claim makes. Well there are pilots out there that seem to think it be easy. Others it would be hard. But here's the problem pilots worry about flying the plane. These people were not trying to fly a plane they were trying to crash one. What a pilot mat see as a difficult maneuver in relief isn't if the person doing the flying doesn't care. It's like my son he and I play the guitar. However he spends lots of time practicing and I do not.

But the difference is this he gets mad at me because he saus I play great and don't have to practice. What he doesn't realize is I just play by ear I don't bother to learn the song like he does. For him he knows the note's and plays the song the way it's supposed to be done. Me I just play what I think sounds good for him what I do is impossible. And what he does would be hard for me I couldnt remember the notes for dozens of songs like he does.

So you can have the same thing in pilots one that does everything by the book. Sets flaps properly and goes through procedures. Then there can be a pilot that just Flys the plane especially if they don't have to be concerned with passengers

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: fleabit

Shouldn't thus be incredibly easy to prove all you would have to do is look at the radar returns for that day. Missiles dont move like planes. But I'm perplexed my brother actually saw the jet cross over the interstate on the way to the pentagon. He remembers it well because he sat in traffic for almost 5 hours on Washington blvd. But I guess he didn't know the difference between a plane and a missile.

Question I would have is the plane took out several lights how did a missile do this without exploding.

If you are truly interested in the radar track, I suggest you give this thread a read. Very fascinating.

There's an overwhelming amount of evidence a plane hit the Pentagon. There's no evidence it was a missile.

a reply to: dragonridr

You know nothing about the man heck we don't even know if he's a pilot. We don't know if he flew the aircraft all we gave is a video saying he did.

Classic attempt to slander the credentials, so predictable.

Captain Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force is a Retired commercial pilot. He flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. As an aviation expert he flew the Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. The Captain has amassed over 30,000 total hours flown.Captain Wittenberg had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).He is a former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

So? His view is not the consensus of the aerospace industry. Nor his opinion based on actual flight recorder data, radar data, and eyewitness accounts?

Ever going to answer how the remains of the crew and passengers aboard flight 77 ended up at the pentagon.

Ever going to start discrediting the 100 plus eyewitness that give an account of a large jet hitting the pentagon.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Here is the transcript to your "video that was aired only once"....and it is READILY apparent that the video you posted, has been edited.

transcripts.cnn.com...



"Outside the Pentagon, CNN's military affairs correspondent Jamie McIntyre.

And, Jamie, you got very close to where that plane went down.

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Judy.

A short -- a while ago I walked right up next to the building, firefighters were still trying to put the blaze. The fire, by the way, is still burning in some parts of the Pentagon. And I took a look at the huge gaping hole that's in the side of the Pentagon in an area of the Pentagon that has been recently renovated, part of a multibillion dollar renovation program here at the Pentagon. I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building, very small pieces of the plane on the heliport outside the building. The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long, it was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane. I also saw a large piece of shattered glass. It appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane. When this plane hit the Pentagon this morning, according to the Pentagon spokesman, Craig Quigley, the defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, incredibly is described as having run out of his office and down to actually help some of the victims onto stretchers until he was ushered into the National Military Command Center, the secure Nerve Center or War Room deep inside the Pentagon, where he remains at this time. Pentagon officials say he will stay for the time being. That is a place where all of U.S. intelligence comes in and he has complete command with his commanders around the world. At the same time, the Pentagon has dispatched several warships out of port Norfolk, including the U.S. -- the carriers, USS George Washington and USS Kennedy. The sensible reason for that, the movement of those ships and their escort ships, is to move them from more vulnerable positions. But the Navy says they'll also head some of the aircraft carriers up toward New York with the idea that they may be able to render some kind of assistance there, given the magnitude of the tragedy there. Back here, the fight goes on to put out the fire inside the Pentagon. The heat from that blaze was described as absolutely intense, and the number of casualties here has still not been released. Dozens of people were taken away in ambulances, and the Pentagon is still not releasing any figures on deaths. But clearly, people who had offices in that, what is now a huge gaping hole in the side of the Pentagon, clearly, there was some people killed in this tragedy -- Judy. WOODRUFF: Jamie, Aaron was talking earlier -- or one of our correspondence was talking earlier -- I think -- actually, it was Bob Franken -- with an eyewitness who said it appeared that that Boeing 757, the American jet, American Airline jet, landed short of the Pentagon. Can you give us any better idea of how much of the plane actually impacted the building? MCINTYRE: You know, it might have appeared that way, but from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site is the actual site of the building that's crashed in, and as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around, which would indicate"




The Bold part....is the part of the video that was edited out.

Well...


didn't they find a computer with Microsoft Flight Simulator
( what ever version 2000 or earlier ) in one of the Terrorist rooms

www.youtube.com...



I recall they did


The flight software that 'trains the terrorists'
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Apparently a Ad from Microsoft in 1995

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if you read the fine article when you blow it up with the thumb pic

it says !!! Do you have what it takes to Slalom between Buildings on Park Avenue ,
Down sunset Boulevard , thought the Street of Munich

and there for the Viewing The Twin Towers ,

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If a missile hit the Pentagon, it was launched from somewhere fairly nearby, and that would be hard to hide - and so it would be very risky if you didn't want to be caught in the act. If it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, then that means that a plane and all its passengers have disappeared to provide a 'cover story' for the missile attack. Wouldn't it actually be a lot simpler to crash that plane and all its passengers into the Pentagon, instead of using a missile in the first place?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

So you think a plane actually hit the Pentagon?

the kind offered in my home town at Coastal Aviation of New Bern, N.C., . the flight instructor told news after the terror attack i thought it was strange they were not interested in how to land.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
what is this guy talking about the world trade center towers were over a 1000 feet tall and close to the harbor i could have hit them. and the one that hit the pentagon was orginally supposed to hit white house they missed so they looked for something to hit they saw the pentagon and aimed for it is easily spotted from the sky being a giant 5 sided ring and yes it too would have been fairly easy to hit if you knew how to turn the plane and ascend and descend. they really got extremely lucky that the guys who hit trade center were not on later flight say around 10 am casualties would have been in the tens of thousands per tower

a reply to: WeRpeons
different building material different weight and thousands of gallons of kerosene jet fuel/ and much different height. all of these factors plus in trade center the fire was concentrated and weaked the superstructure enough that the floors above pancaked down like a giant hammer. the fire in london ran up the outside of the building then entered.

a reply to: micpsi

saying that it would have been impossible even for they to have achieved the 270 degree turn and a perfect descent to ground level at the point of impact. People who reject such testimony are in plain denial of the facts because these judgements do not suit their beliefs in the official story.

Hani Hanjour, the pilot of American 77, had taken classes at JET TECH in Mesa Az. His instructor signed off
for "TIGHT TURNS"

Hanjour had problems at Jet Tech - most if which were result of poor command of English

originally posted by: UB2120
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

So you think a plane actually hit the Pentagon?

I am not sure, all I know is, that maneuver could not have been pulled off by an amateur pilot, another question is that plane even capable of making that maneuver, as that is in further question given the rules of "ground effect" and the perfect side strike.

I ask this question, can even a computer take a car driving at 100 mph and crank a hard turn without wiping the vehicle out ?
Take the human element right out, and you still have the same result with certain modes of vehicles planes or cars.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AMPTAH

It wasn't a missile!

It's funny to watch large jet deniers destroy the credible of the truth movement.

Sad for those of us that would like to get to the truth of 9-11.

Yes, I support inward bowing leading to collapse at the towers. But I agree with Scientists for 9/11 Truth that pentagon large jet deniers are hurting the truth movement.

You realize how easy it would be to hire a few people to do that, right? Maybe they even convince a few gullible people to join them?

I think it's called "agent provacateur". And if there really was a conspiracy, there would be plenty of those trolling the net spewing silly nonsense, or exaggerations of valid points.

The US government probably isn't sophisticated enough, but Mossad, and the Russian FSB certainly are.

I actually suspect 9/11 was carried out by the Russian FSB, and that is why our own government is pushing the official story so much. It's just too big of an embarassment, and it would make peace with Russia nearly impossible if the people knew about it.