What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

Have you seen "the lone gunman" pilot episode?
It aired in Spring 2001 on FOX

Can't find a working yt link

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

No pilot skills required, you just need suitable experience in weapons-guidance systems and other things related to firing missiles.

So who fired the missile into the Pentagon? If you are willing to believe that, then you have to believe that an unobserved plane got near enough to fire this missile. But there are no witnesses to support that scenario. In the absence of any evidence for that idea, the only other alternative is that a plane was flown by remote control into the Pentagon and misidentified as Flight 77. Flying with remote control technology was a military technology that was available then. It would explain how the demonstrated flying skills seemed too good for novice pilots like the alleged hijackers.

a reply to: iWontGiveUP

Here ya go

Lone Gunman S01E01-Pilot

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: mrthumpy

I made this crude chart of control inputs from the FDR data some years ago and yes his piloting was really rough and ragged but he did get the job done. The graphed data is from commencement of the big turn up to impact so the final 4 minutes or thereabouts is represented there.

AAL77

Yeah he had to go around again if I recall correctly and the controls were all over the place

a reply to: micpsi

Keep in mind, a Boeing 757 is half a football field in length.

Only video released of Pentagon attack

Analysis of Eyewitness Statements on 9/11 American Airlines Flight 77 Crash into the Pentagon
ratical.org...

a reply to: Josephus For those of us who don't have time to watch the video at this moment, here is some information about The Lone Gunmen Pilot:

The first episode aired on March 4, 2001. Its title was Pilot. In the show, a computer hacker takes control of a Boeing 727 passenger plane and flies it towards the World Trade Center, with the specific intention of crashing the plane into one of the Twin Towers. It’s only at the very last moment that the Lone Gunmen are able to hack the hacker and avert disaster and death for those aboard the plane and those inside the World Trade Center.

The story gets even more intriguing: the hacker is not just some random, crazy guy. The plot is all the work of a powerful, rogue group buried deep within the world of officialdom. The secret plan, had it worked, was to put the blame for the World Trade Center attacks on one or more foreign dictators who are “begging to be smart-bombed.”

It should be stressed, of course, that the creators of The Lone Gunmen had no advance knowledge of 9/11. It is worth noting, however, that there seemed to be a deep reluctance on the part of the media to address the storyline of Pilot and its parallels to 9/11 – not to mention that the episode had its premiere broadcast in Australia just thirteen days before the events of September 11 occurred.

Read more here (Mysterious Universe Link)

No human pilot skill anyways.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
And so did these hijackers have that skill level is the next logical question ?

Since it was really a missile, no skill was required. It was all computer controlled, a high precision operation.

Someone just pushed a button. A monkey could do it. Of course, some human had to design and develop the missile guidance software that did the real piloting involved in the incident.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: WeRpeons

Yeah! And considering a passenger aircraft ploughed into that building in London at a high rate of speed I think there should be an investigation.

Must of been the same plane that hit WTC7 then, oh wait, it wasn't hit. It's structural integrity was compromised by the fires and that's what must have made it collapse, ya know, just like the fires made Grenfell collapse, wait...

a reply to: micpsi
Don't believe everything the fake news put out, verify, ask a real pilot...

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
And so did these hijackers have that skill level is the next logical question ?

Some comments

The 767 pilot who talked to the Boston Globe similarly said hitting the Pentagon would have been "extremely difficult." He added, "One degree off and [the pilot] either overshoots it or undershoots it." Gary Eitel, an experienced military pilot, said that "the maneuver performed by Flight 77, as described in official reports, was beyond the capabilities of 90 percent of even the best and most experienced pilots in the world." Eitel said that "he was amazed by the piloting skill used to steer Flight 175 into the second tower. Flight 77 boggled his mind."

This question makes you think, because we know these guys had no experience flying major airline planes and had trained only in tiny planes.

From the point of view flying a plane like cruise missile only a few feet above the ground at such a velocity without hitting the ground and bouncing seems impossible for pilot that has never flown one of these planes.

Thoughts?

it wasn't 19 Arabs who did 9/11 ; those men were patsies.

My thoughts are how can people believe this balloney narrative ?

The same reason people nowadys are actually led to believe th U of SA are on a glorious road to greatness again. People are stupid, easily manipulated and believe in things they favor as being the truth

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

There is a video from a helicopter our there that shows the Pentagon being hit. It was 99.9% a missile. If not a missile it was 100% not a commercial airliner.

originally posted by: TheMadTitan
Must of been the same plane that hit WTC7 then, oh wait, it wasn't hit. It's structural integrity was compromised by the fires and that's what must have made it collapse, ya know, just like the fires made Grenfell collapse, wait...

Right. And the debris falling from a 1,400' skyscraper.

Get that investigation going pronto.

a reply to: manuelram16

Hanjour was in Arizona I think it was, working on his type rating in 737s, in the simulator course. He was a rated commercial pilot, meaning he had enough hours and demonstrated enough competency to pass the required FAA standards.

My theory; the hijackers were CIA contractors who were told to do this as part of a drill that was happening on the same day. When they got on the planes it was switched to remote guidance.

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

No pilot skills required, you just need suitable experience in weapons-guidance systems and other things related to firing missiles.

So who fired the missile into the Pentagon? If you are willing to believe that, then you have to believe that an unobserved plane got near enough to fire this missile. But there are no witnesses to support that scenario. In the absence of any evidence for that idea, the only other alternative is that a plane was flown by remote control into the Pentagon and misidentified as Flight 77. Flying with remote control technology was a military technology that was available then. It would explain how the demonstrated flying skills seemed too good for novice pilots like the alleged hijackers.

Missiles don't necessarily need to be fired from a plane.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I don't believe any hijackers flew those planes in the WTC. I believe the instruments were hijacked by remote control, locking the pilots out of the system.

The real hijackers where "elsewhere", with a computer system on the ground. The hijackers on the ground, hidden somewhere, reset the on board auto pilot to a new heading, The WTC.

Those planes flew maneuvers to what fighter pilots do in war games. It is laughable to believe unskilled Cessna amateurs flew those planes.

a reply to: AMPTAH

It wasn't a missile!

It's funny to watch large jet deniers destroy the credible of the truth movement.

Sad for those of us that would like to get to the truth of 9-11.

Yes, I support inward bowing leading to collapse at the towers. But I agree with Scientists for 9/11 Truth that pentagon large jet deniers are hurting the truth movement.

Title: Bringing Closure to the 9/11 Pentagon Debate
Originally published at Foreign Policy Journal by John Wyndham on 10/7/16

Conclusion
Despite the clear evidence and its analysis using the scientific method of large plane impact, a substantial portion of the 9/11 truth movement, including accepted leaders and those involved in major organizations, continues to publicly endorse, adhere to, or promulgate talks, writings and films on false Pentagon hypotheses. Some simply offer criticisms and reject or ignore evidence that would bring closure to the argument. There is clear evidence by way of disintegrating truth groups that these endorsements and communications are injurious to the movement. Public feedback shows that the false Pentagon hypotheses undermine public acceptance of other highly credible scientific findings, such as the demolitions of the Twin Towers and Building 7 (WTC7) in New York City.

Most rank and file members of the 9/11 truth movement take their cues on the Pentagon from well-known speakers, writers, and acknowledged leaders of the movement. The quickest way to end the ongoing damage to the movement’s credibility and bring closure would be for these prominent individuals to publicly repudiate their former endorsements, views, and statements on the Pentagon event and acknowledge the scientific method and its conclusion of large plane impact. In the absence of public repudiations, the damage caused by false Pentagon hypotheses is likely to continue indefinitely, even if those who fueled their spread cease to promote them. Consequently, the surest way to end the debate and enhance the credibility of the movement is for each individual to study, without bias or prejudice, the evidence for themselves.

The recent papers by scientists, engineers and others showing large plane impact at the Pentagon have been collected together on a website that invites feedback and discussion. Comments can be sent to the Scientific Method 9/11 website which specifically invites feedback on many of the papers listed below.

Author's bio

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John D. Wyndham (PhD) studied under two Nobel Prize-winners in physics at the Cavendish Laboratory, Cambridge, U.K. and, in his early career, was a Research Fellow at the California Institute of Technology. He is currently Coordinator of Scientists for 9/11 Truth. His research papers on 9/11 can be found there and on the website Scientific Method 9/11 for which he acts as Moderator.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Pick your top three reasons you deny a jet hit the Pentagon, and provide them for debate?

Here are more reasons to check the facts concerning the pentagon.....

Title: The Pentagon Event: The Honegger Hypothesis Refuted
www.scientificmethod911.org...

Title: The Pentagon Attack: Problems with Theories Alternative to Large Plane Impact
First Published January, 2011. Version 3, April 2016.
www.scientistsfor911truth.org...


Title: Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon
www.journalof911studies.com...